deskthority

Posted: **16 Jul 2016, 19:52**

Thankfully, yes, tofagerl. All the BLUE, CADET, and SPH (grey) caps are in phase 1. While the Cadet colors are not the bulk of my order, they are nevertheless the most important to me, which is why I am thankful they are phase 1.

Posted: **16 Jul 2016, 20:10**

Yeah, that keyboard is going to look magnificent! I just need a 75%, because that layout won't be at it's best on a 60%.

Edit: Turns out I only have 12 keys from batch 2, than. 1 black, 11 red keys. Mostly escapes, enters, tabs and stuff.

Posted: **17 Jul 2016, 09:04**

I've been checking PMK every day, and we have ourselves an update!

"Round 6 - Phase 1 (SA) - In production - Expected completion date 8/18.
Round 6 - Phase 2 (SA) - Scheduled - Expected completion 11/30."

We're getting somewhere!

Posted: **17 Jul 2016, 09:41**

deniedscout wrote: I've been checking PMK every day, and we have ourselves an update!

"Round 6 - Phase 1 (SA) - In production - Expected completion date 8/18.
Round 6 - Phase 2 (SA) - Scheduled - Expected completion 11/30."

We're getting somewhere!

Very nice!! So we can expect to get our sweet sweet caps next Summer?

Posted: **17 Jul 2016, 17:16**

If we're very, very lucky.

Posted: **17 Jul 2016, 21:54**

zslane wrote:
Data wrote:
zslane wrote: I don't think this is necessarily a failure of etiquette, to be honest. After all, they don't need to tell us the keycaps are delayed; that is pretty self-evident. If you're hoping that SP will provide a new delivery date, well, I think you are hoping in vain. I doubt even SP themselves know when they will be done with the corrections. An estimate from them wouldn't even be a "best guess", and therefore next to useless.
It's customary to let the client know when a delay has been extended. It's a bit of stating the obvious, but it's just a polite way of letting the client know that you're still working and they are still a priority. Nobody likes radio silence.
It may be customary, but in this case it is mostly a pointless custom. If delays of this kind were unusual for SP, then it would make sense to explain to customers why there are unforseen delays. But 7bit (and anyone who has ever been part of a 7bit GB for SP caps) knows this is just par for the course. Long annoying delays are the norm. Confirmation that everything is proceeding according to expected norms hardly warrants notification.

OK, again... it's a courtesy. Things which are courteous, polite, and customary often don't make practical sense. They exist to address the emotional needs of the receiving party and to meet or exceed their expectations of service.

Posted: **18 Jul 2016, 06:03**

I know why they exist. I just don't know why anyone expects them from SP given what we already know about how they communicate and interact with the community in general. More importantly, I don't know why anyone complains about it here, where it is guaranteed to have zero constructive impact on the thing being complained about.

Posted: **18 Jul 2016, 08:33**

Goodthings cost money, and time.I don't care when I can get the caps, but I will keep my invoice forever. If there's a chance to order some kits which are already sold out, I will pick up so quickly!!

Posted: **18 Jul 2016, 15:57**

I've updated the wiki:

HONEYB/ALPHA/CADET
price: $59

HONEYB/HYPER7/NUMPAD
price: $29

HONEYB/HYPER7/FUNPAD
price: $29

HONEYB/ISO/BLUE
price: $14

HONEYB/UK/SPH
price: $9

HONEYB/UK/BLUE
price: $9

HONEYB/INTER/SPH
price: $45

HONEYB/COLEMAK/SPH
price: $19

HONEYB/HHKBMOD/VIOLETT
price: $21

HONEYB/MODBASE100/BLUE
price: $9

HONEYB/MODBASE125/VIOLETT
price: $24

HONEYB/MODEXTRA100/BLUE
price: $7

HONEYB/MODEXTRA100/VIOLETT
price: $7

HONEYB/MODEXTRA150/BLUE
price: $29

HONEYB/MODEXTRA150/VIOLETT
price: $29

HONEYB/MODSYM100/CADET
price: $12

HONEYB/MODSYM125/BLUE
price: $19

HONEYB/MODSYM150/R3/VIOLETT
price: $9

HONEYB/CURSORBASE/VIOLETT
price: $12

HONEYB/CURSORS/BLUE
price: $12

HONEYB/CURSORS/CADET
price: $12

HONEYB/CURSOR/R34/VIOLETT
price: $6

HONEYB/CURSOREXTRA2/BLUE
price: $9

HONEYB/CURSOREXTRA/VIOLETT
price: $18

HONEYB/CURSYM/VIOLETT
price: $12

HONEYB/FUNCTION/BLUE
price: $39

HONEYB/FUNCTION/VIOLETT
price: $39

HONEYB/FUNCTION3/BLUE
price: $32

HONEYB/SYMBOLS/VIOLETT
price: $16

HONEYB/SYMBOLS/R1/SPH
price: $9

HONEYB/WEBWIT150/BLUE
price: $7

HONEYB/WEBWIT150/VIOLETT
price: $7

HONEYB/COLORCODES
price: $24

HONEYB/LOTUS175/CADET
price: $6

HONEYB/LOTUS175S/CADET
price: $6

HONEYB/TAB150/VIOLETT
price: $5

HONEYB/TILDEBPRIME/BLUE
price: $2

HONEYB/TILDEBPRIME/VIOLETT
price: $2

HONEYB/BACKSPACE200/BLUE
price: $6

HONEYB/JRET/VIOLETT
price: $9

HONEYB/TRIANG175/BLUE
price: $5

HONEYB/SPACE400/SPH
price: $7

HONEYB/SPACE400/BLUE
price: $7

HONEYB/SPACE400/VIOLETT
price: $7

HONEYB/SPACE400/CREAM
price: $7

HONEYB/SPACE625/SPH
price: $5

HONEYB/SPACE625/VIOLETT
price: $7

HONEYB/SPACE625/CREAM
price: $7

HONEYB/SPACE700/SPH
price: $7

HONEYB/SPACE700/BLUE
price: $7

HONEYB/SPACE700/VIOLETT
price: $7

G/SPH/FUNCTION4
price: $5

G/SPH/NUMERICLEFTOVERS
price: $19

G/SPH/NUMERICMIX
price: $21

G/SPH/NUMERIC/5K
price: $69

G/SPH/NUMERIC/9K
price: $49

G/SPH/NUMERIC/BLUE/8K
price: $9

G/SPH/NUMPADMIX
price: $12

G/SPH/PHANTOM/11K
price: $12

G/SPH/POS/13K
price: $49

G/SPH/POS/6K
price: $19

Here are the complete lists of what is currently available:

Round 5 (in stock )
Round 6 (in production )

Posted: **18 Jul 2016, 17:30**

Lower prices for some kits:

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Order ID                |   | price | qty|description
G/CURTXT/R34/GREY       |was|  2 USD|  10|r3 UP,DOWN,LEFT,RIGHT, r4 UP
G/CURTXT/R34/GREY       |now|  1 USD|  10|r3 UP,DOWN,LEFT,RIGHT, r4 UP

G/DCSDSA0301            |was| 19 USD|   1|ca. 300g grab bag (DCS/DSA)
G/DCSDSA0301            |now| 15 USD|   1|ca. 300g grab bag (DCS/DSA)

G/DCSDSA0302            |was| 19 USD|   1|ca. 300g grab bag (DCS/DSA)
G/DCSDSA0302            |now| 15 USD|   1|ca. 300g grab bag (DCS/DSA)

G/DCSDSA0303            |was| 19 USD|   1|ca. 300g grab bag (DCS/DSA)
G/DCSDSA0303            |now| 15 USD|   1|ca. 300g grab bag (DCS/DSA)

G/DCSDSA0304            |was| 19 USD|   1|ca. 300g grab bag (DCS/DSA)
G/DCSDSA0304            |now| 15 USD|   1|ca. 300g grab bag (DCS/DSA)

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Order ID                |   | price | qty|description
G/FUNCTION3/R2/GREY     |was|  3 USD|   1|Function row 2 kit
G/FUNCTION3/R2/GREY     |now|  2 USD|   1|Function row 2 kit

G/FUNCTION4/R2/GREY     |was|  3 USD|   1|Function row 2 kit
G/FUNCTION4/R2/GREY     |now|  2 USD|   1|Function row 2 kit

G/FUNCTION8/R3/GREY     |was|  6 USD|   4|Function row 3 kit
G/FUNCTION8/R3/GREY     |now|  4 USD|   4|Function row 3 kit

G/FUNCTIONB/R3/GREY     |was| 19 USD|   1|Function row 3 kit
G/FUNCTIONB/R3/GREY     |now| 12 USD|   1|Function row 3 kit

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Order ID                |   | price | qty|description
G/MOD150/KIT10/GREY     |was|  2 USD|   1|Mod 150 kit
G/MOD150/KIT10/GREY     |now|  1 USD|   1|Mod 150 kit

G/MOD150/KIT11/GREY     |was|  1 USD|   2|Mod 150 kit
G/MOD150/KIT11/GREY     |now|  1 USD|   2|Mod 150 kit

G/MOD150/KIT13/GREY     |was| 10 USD|   1|Mod 150 kit (rows 2,3)
G/MOD150/KIT13/GREY     |now|  8 USD|   1|Mod 150 kit (rows 2,3)

G/MOD150/KIT14/GREY     |was|  8 USD|   1|Mod 150 kit (rows 2,3)
G/MOD150/KIT14/GREY     |now|  6 USD|   1|Mod 150 kit (rows 2,3)

G/MOD150/KIT15/GREY     |was|  7 USD|   1|Mod 150 kit (rows 2,3)
G/MOD150/KIT15/GREY     |now|  5 USD|   1|Mod 150 kit (rows 2,3)

G/MOD150/KIT16/GREY     |was|  6 USD|   1|Mod 150 kit (rows 2,3)
G/MOD150/KIT16/GREY     |now|  4 USD|   1|Mod 150 kit (rows 2,3)

G/MOD150/KIT4/GREY      |was|  9 USD|   1|Mod 150 kit
G/MOD150/KIT4/GREY      |now|  5 USD|   1|Mod 150 kit

G/MOD150/KIT7/GREY      |was|  4 USD|   1|Mod 150 kit
G/MOD150/KIT7/GREY      |now|  3 USD|   1|Mod 150 kit

G/MOD150/KIT8/GREY      |was|  3 USD|   1|Mod 150 kit
G/MOD150/KIT8/GREY      |now|  2 USD|   1|Mod 150 kit

G/MOD150/KIT9/GREY      |was|  3 USD|   1|Mod 150 kit
G/MOD150/KIT9/GREY      |now|  2 USD|   1|Mod 150 kit

G/MODSYM150/KIT1/GREY   |was|  8 USD|   1|ModSym 150 (rows 2,3)
G/MODSYM150/KIT1/GREY   |now|  5 USD|   1|ModSym 150 (rows 2,3)

G/MODSYM150/KIT5/GREY   |was|  3 USD|   1|ModSym 150 (row 2)
G/MODSYM150/KIT5/GREY   |now|  2 USD|   1|ModSym 150 (row 2)

G/MODSYM150/KIT6/GREY   |was|  3 USD|   1|ModSym 150 (row 2)
G/MODSYM150/KIT6/GREY   |now|  2 USD|   1|ModSym 150 (row 2)

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Order ID                |   | price | qty|description
G/NUMERIC5/GREY         |was|  3 USD|   2|Numeric row 3 keys
G/NUMERIC5/GREY         |now|  1 USD|   2|Numeric row 3 keys

G/NUMERIC6/GREY         |was|  2 USD|   3|Numeric row 3 keys
G/NUMERIC6/GREY         |now|  1 USD|   3|Numeric row 3 keys

G/NUMERIC7/GREY         |was|  2 USD|   2|Numeric row 3 keys
G/NUMERIC7/GREY         |now|  1 USD|   2|Numeric row 3 keys

G/NUMERIC8/GREY         |was|  2 USD|   1|Numeric row 3 keys
G/NUMERIC8/GREY         |now|  1 USD|   1|Numeric row 3 keys

G/POSSYM/GREY           |was|  4 USD|   2|POS-kit (to fit on 2 keys)
G/POSSYM/GREY           |now|  3 USD|   2|POS-kit (to fit on 2 keys)

G/SPH/FUNCTION/10K      |was| 35 USD|   1|SPH-style (regular order)
G/SPH/FUNCTION/10K      |now| 29 USD|   1|SPH-style (regular order)

G/SPH/MIX1G             |was|  9 USD|   1|SPH-style (regular order)
G/SPH/MIX1G             |now|  8 USD|   1|SPH-style (regular order)

G/SPH/NUMERIC/5K        |was| 69 USD|   1|SPH-style (regular order)
G/SPH/NUMERIC/5K        |now| 59 USD|   1|SPH-style (regular order)

G/SPH/NUMERIC/9K        |was| 49 USD|   1|SPH-style (regular order)
G/SPH/NUMERIC/9K        |now| 39 USD|   1|SPH-style (regular order)

G/SPH/NUMERIC/BLUE/8K   |was|  9 USD|   1|SPH-style (regular order)
G/SPH/NUMERIC/BLUE/8K   |now|  8 USD|   1|SPH-style (regular order)

G/SPH/NUMERICLEFTOVERS  |was| 19 USD|   1|SPH-style (grab bag)
G/SPH/NUMERICLEFTOVERS  |now| 12 USD|   1|SPH-style (grab bag)

G/SPH/NUMERICMIX        |was| 21 USD|   1|SPH-style (regular order)
G/SPH/NUMERICMIX        |now| 15 USD|   1|SPH-style (regular order)

G/SPH/NUMPADMIX         |was| 12 USD|   1|SPH-style (regular order)
G/SPH/NUMPADMIX         |now|  9 USD|   1|SPH-style (regular order)

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Order ID                |   | price | qty|description
G/SPH/PHANTOM/11K       |was| 12 USD|   1|SPH-style (regular order)
G/SPH/PHANTOM/11K       |now|  9 USD|   1|SPH-style (regular order)

G/SPH/POS/13K           |was| 49 USD|   1|SPH-style (regular order)
G/SPH/POS/13K           |now| 39 USD|   1|SPH-style (regular order)

G/SPH/POS/6K            |was| 19 USD|   1|SPH-style (regular order)
G/SPH/POS/6K            |now| 15 USD|   1|SPH-style (regular order)

G/SPH/WC/MIX            |was| 17 USD|   1|SPH-style (grab bag)
G/SPH/WC/MIX            |now| 15 USD|   1|SPH-style (grab bag)

G/SPH/Y/MIX             |was|  8 USD|   1|SPH-style (grab bag)
G/SPH/Y/MIX             |now|  7 USD|   1|SPH-style (grab bag)

HONEY/POS/PACK2         |was|  6 USD|   7|POS pack 2 (2 units)
HONEY/POS/PACK2         |now|  5 USD|   7|POS pack 2 (2 units)

Posted: **18 Jul 2016, 21:06**

Man, I'm tempted to order another full Cadet kit collection just in case I want a second Space Cadet keyboard...

Posted: **18 Jul 2016, 21:08**

Right?? Right?? Someone gets me xD

Posted: **18 Jul 2016, 21:29**

Dude, I've been obsessed with the Cadet keyset from the moment I heard about it last year.

Posted: **18 Jul 2016, 21:52**

Ahah ok so you are more into it than I am xD I only got it this year because only now could my wallet support it comfortably

Posted: **18 Jul 2016, 23:46**

zslane wrote: Dude, I've been obsessed with the Cadet keyset from the moment I heard about it last year.

I wish I have ordered a TKL Space Cadet kit, but I had no money for it.

Posted: **19 Jul 2016, 10:07**

The manufacturer had a machine failure and keys will be finished in the 2nd week of August ...

Posted: **19 Jul 2016, 14:56**

Sure they did...

Posted: **19 Jul 2016, 15:52**

In the meantime, any chance of getting more Round 5 leftover orders out... say order #0636 ...

Posted: **19 Jul 2016, 15:57**

nateth wrote: Sure they did...

It is a failure that will last them approximately all of august, you know just a coincidence with vacation time

Posted: **19 Jul 2016, 18:54**

Got my Round 5 leftovers in the mail over the weekend! Finally put them on my Planck (with my daughter's help) last night. Really love the feel of these SA keys. This is definitely NOT the final arrangement, but at least I was able to get enough keys to cover the whole board.

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Thanks 7bit and The Collector!

Posted: **19 Jul 2016, 20:34**

What I want to know is: why aren't there cheap Chinese knockoffs of SA caps, just like there is for every other product in the universe? It can't be that hard to make molds, and there's obviously huge demand.

Posted: **19 Jul 2016, 20:53**

c2lknt wrote: What I want to know is: why aren't there cheap Chinese knockoffs of SA caps, just like there is for every other product in the universe? It can't be that hard to make molds, and there's obviously huge demand.

Mold making is hard and expensive: last time I read about it each mold was costing something like multiple thousand dollars, sometimes in the 5 digits figures.

SP bought their molds from a french manufacturer called CompTec that closed their business in the USA some years ago. Unfortunately the french operation closed doors recently: http://www.ladepeche.fr/article/2016/03 ... mptec.html

The only possibility for another manufacturer enter the SA game would be buying the french CompTec molds, but I don't think that will happen.

Don't overestimate the community demand as if it is the (global?) market demand. I believe that the absence of knock-off contoured spherical keycaps says much about what manufacturers think about the possible ROI of this kind of product.

Posted: **19 Jul 2016, 21:03**

vinnycordeiro wrote:
c2lknt wrote: What I want to know is: why aren't there cheap Chinese knockoffs of SA caps, just like there is for every other product in the universe? It can't be that hard to make molds, and there's obviously huge demand.
Mold making is hard and expensive: last time I read about it each mold was costing something like multiple thousand dollars, sometimes in the 5 digits figures.

SP bought their molds from a French manufacturer called CompTec that closed their business in the USA some years ago. Unfortunately the french operation closed doors recently: http://www.ladepeche.fr/article/2016/03 ... mptec.html

The only possibility for another manufacturer enter the SA game would be buying the french CompTec molds, but I don't think that will happen.

Don't overestimate the community demand as if it is the (global?) market demand. I believe that the absence of knock-off contoured spherical keycaps says much about what manufacturers think about the possible ROI of this kind of product.

Bingo. I was recently quoted $4000 for tooling a non-standard keycap.

Tooling is a bi***.

That being said....
Vortex seems to be experimenting with SA clones in PBT. Not sure when or even if they'll come to market.
Zeal shot this at Computex 2016.
http://i.imgur.com/9QYrEsL.jpg

Posted: **19 Jul 2016, 21:13**

nateth wrote: Vortex seems to be experimenting with SA clones in PBT. Not sure when or even if they'll come to market.
Zeal shot this at Computex 2016.
http://i.imgur.com/9QYrEsL.jpg

I didn't knew that. Looks interesting. But, at least for me, these caps looks better glossy, not matte.

Posted: **19 Jul 2016, 22:00**

looks cylindrical too, interesting

Posted: **20 Jul 2016, 00:51**

There is also Matt3o's efforts to create a modern "beamspring" style high-profile spherical keycap family in PBT. Of course it will be dye-sub and not double-shot, but it is an interesting project nevertheless.

The market for sphericals is so small I'm amazed that anybody, even SP, bothers to cater to it at all. Clearly the sudden surge in interest, thanks primarily to MassDrop, has been keeping SP's machines busier than ever. But how long will this rennaissance last, I wonder? I figure I should get all my SA keycaps now while I can...

Posted: **20 Jul 2016, 07:26**

nateth wrote: http://i.imgur.com/9QYrEsL.jpg

Very interesting. Note those row 3 shifts though - lol-worthy. I assume that's a sign of "not ready for market," but still, coincidentally funny, given the historical trouble with SP's SA shifts. (And it looks like their Tab key is the wrong row too, anyway.)

Posted: **20 Jul 2016, 09:03**

What's the estimated shipping time for in-stock Round 5 leftovers?
Paid a couple of weeks ago but haven't heard anything.

Posted: **20 Jul 2016, 18:00**

ratfactor wrote: Got my Round 5 leftovers in the mail over the weekend! Finally put them on my Planck (with my daughter's help) last night. Really love the feel of these SA keys. This is definitely NOT the final arrangement, but at least I was able to get enough keys to cover the whole board.

Hey, we match! Round 5 vomit.

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Posted: **20 Jul 2016, 18:29**

@7bit
can I buy these kits,now?

HONEYB/ALPHA/E/WHITE
HONEYB/CURSORBASE/GREY
HONEYB/CURSOR/R34/WHITE
HONEYB/F1TOF12/GREY
HONEYB/HELVETICA/R1/RED X2
HONEYB/SPACE625/WHITE

deskthority

Round 5 and Round 6 kits for sale!

Re: Round 5: in stock / Round 6: in production / leftovers for sale!!!

Re: Round 5: in stock / Round 6: in production / leftovers for sale!!!