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Posted: 07 Sep 2016, 10:44
by 7bit
Maybe I should mention it again: The PayPal collector(s) should be either from USA or EU, or even someone from elsewhere as long as he would be able to do a bank transfer to SP.

Posted: 07 Sep 2016, 11:21
by caligo
What would it entail, more specifically? I'm sure it's been answered somewhere in this 388 page thread, but yeah, well…
I live in the EU. I have a bank account and Paypal. But I've never used Paypal for anything other than paying for stuff I order online, and I've never attempted to transfer money from here to a US account (from what I've heard it can be quite a hassle though). Aside from the practical side of things, I'm mostly worried about taxes and stuff – like, for example, would there be a risk of the authorities seeing the money passing through my account as an income and wanting a cut of it?
I guess I've been hoping for someone who actually knows what they are getting into to step up, but I'd be willing to help as long as the whole thing is not terribly complex to set up. But at the moment, I don't really know what I'd be signing up for.
Posted: 07 Sep 2016, 11:56
by tofagerl
I think the tax authorities in your own country would be more able to answer those questions.
Posted: 07 Sep 2016, 12:04
by Virtureal
zslane wrote: 7bit wrote: ...plus some extra costs for the remakes of keys that had been messed up by me sending SVG grphics at 1000dpi, while SP requires 72dpi.
I find this odd because when I ran the SHIFT legend experiment last year, I sent SP vector files (for which there is no dpi to deal with) and the double-shot legends came back perfect the first time. Why oh why is
anybody sending raster images to SP? That just leads to high potential for errors. I really thought this was made abundantly clear last fall.
SVG is a vector image format so I'm still pretty confused about what was sent to SP and what they did with it to mess up the scaling, but if SP messed up the scaling it's annoying that they would charge extra for not following instructions...
7bit is phase 1 done or not, any ETA on it being shipped to you?
Posted: 07 Sep 2016, 12:40
by 7bit
caligo wrote: What would it entail, more specifically? I'm sure it's been answered somewhere in this 388 page thread, but yeah, well…
I live in the EU. I have a bank account and Paypal. But I've never used Paypal for anything other than paying for stuff I order online, and I've never attempted to transfer money from here to a US account (from what I've heard it can be quite a hassle though). Aside from the practical side of things, I'm mostly worried about taxes and stuff – like, for example, would there be a risk of the authorities seeing the money passing through my account as an income and wanting a cut of it?
I guess I've been hoping for someone who actually knows what they are getting into to step up, but I'd be willing to help as long as the whole thing is not terribly complex to set up. But at the moment, I don't really know what I'd be signing up for.
I can do the payment, it costs a bit more than from within the US, but not too much. BTW, I also try to get a PayPal account myself, but I'm not sure it will work since my old one has been locked.
Posted: 07 Sep 2016, 12:48
by 7bit
Virtureal wrote: zslane wrote: 7bit wrote: ...plus some extra costs for the remakes of keys that had been messed up by me sending SVG grphics at 1000dpi, while SP requires 72dpi.
I find this odd because when I ran the SHIFT legend experiment last year, I sent SP vector files (for which there is no dpi to deal with) and the double-shot legends came back perfect the first time. Why oh why is
anybody sending raster images to SP? That just leads to high potential for errors. I really thought this was made abundantly clear last fall.
SVG is a vector image format so I'm still pretty confused about what was sent to SP and what they did with it to mess up the scaling, but if SP messed up the scaling it's annoying that they would charge extra for not following instructions...
7bit is phase 1 done or not, any ETA on it being shipped to you?
The legends appeared 37x magnified to them, so they made them smaller. If nobody askes me to re-generate the legend files with the -p flag set (production) to make them in 72dpi instead of 1000dpi, then things like that happen.
Please notice that at 1000dpi all you need to do is look into the source code of those SVG files to see the exact measures.
About phase one production: They had forgotten to produce most of the violett/cream keys. I hope they produce them right now, but did not get an answer yet when they will really do them.

Posted: 07 Sep 2016, 16:49
by Veggis
Does that mean that none of the cream/violett keys are finished?

Posted: 07 Sep 2016, 16:59
by andrewjoy
Posted: 07 Sep 2016, 17:17
by 7bit
Go away! You do not belong to a keyboard enthusiast forum!
A real keyboard enthusiast would spend all the money on keyboards, key caps, switches etc.

Posted: 07 Sep 2016, 17:19
by andrewjoy
7bit wrote: Go away! You do not belong to a keyboard enthusiast forum!
A real keyboard enthusiast would spend all the money on keyboards, key caps, switches etc.

But But i have a model F and a beamspring , so what else do i need

, apart form hall effect

Posted: 07 Sep 2016, 17:22
by alh84001
andrewjoy wrote:
But But i have a model F and a beamspring , so what else do i need

, apart form hall effect

Sir, may I interest you in some fine
keyboard switches 
Posted: 07 Sep 2016, 17:26
by 7bit
Google Wallet or PayPal collector wanted!!!
Google Wallet or PayPal collector wanted!!!
Google Wallet or PayPal collector wanted!!!
Google Wallet or PayPal collector wanted!!!
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Posted: 07 Sep 2016, 17:34
by webwit
andrewjoy wrote: I can collect the money , and then spend it all on beer and chrisps !

No drugs and hookers?
Posted: 07 Sep 2016, 17:41
by ischeinfeld
7bit wrote: Google Wallet or PayPal collector wanted!!!
Google Wallet or PayPal collector wanted!!!
Google Wallet or PayPal collector wanted!!!
Google Wallet or PayPal collector wanted!!!
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Wait, you found one?
Posted: 07 Sep 2016, 17:43
by 7bit
Yes, but I can make use of another one, if you like to do it.

Posted: 07 Sep 2016, 17:50
by ischeinfeld
7bit wrote: Yes, but I can make use of another one, if you like to do it.

Sorry, I'd do it but I'm heading off to college and really shouldn't commit myself to anything else.
I added SHIPTRACKED to my order, and I received an invoice including it, but it didn't show up in my last one. Should I just add it again?
Posted: 07 Sep 2016, 18:09
by 7bit
Everything in white:

HONEYB/ALPHA/E/WHITE
price: $65

HONEYB/ISO/WHITE
price: $16

HONEYB/UK/WHITE
price: $9

HONEYB/INTER/WHITE
price: $39
HONEYB/COLEMAK/WHITE
price: $15

HONEYB/MODBASE100/WHITE
price: $9

HONEYB/MODBASE125/WHITE
price: $18

HONEYB/MODBASE150/WHITE
price: $12

HONEYB/MODEXTRA125/WHITE
price: $18

HONEYB/MODEXTRA150/WHITE
price: $24

HONEYB/CURSOR/WHITE
price: $7

HONEYB/CURSOR/R34/WHITE
price: $6

HONEYB/CURSOREXTRA/WHITE
price: $14

HONEYB/NUMOP/WHITE
price: $19

HONEYB/FUNCTION1/WHITE
price: $36

HONEYB/SYMBOLS/R1/WHITE
price: $12

HONEYB/SYMBOLS/R3/WHITE
price: $12

HONEYB/NUMERALS/WHITE
price: $12

HONEYB/ESCAPE/WHITE
price: $2

HONEYB/TAB150/WHITE
price: $5

HONEYB/VERTBSL/WHITE
price: $9

HONEYB/BACKSPACE200/RED
price: $6

HONEYB/CAPSLOCK175/WHITE
price: $12

HONEYB/CONTROL175/WHITE
price: $12

HONEYB/RETURN225/WHITE
price: $6

HONEYB/JRET/WHITE
price: $9

HONEYB/SHIFT100/WHITE
price: $2

HONEYB/SHIFT125/WHITE
price: $3

HONEYB/SHIFT175/WHITE
price: $5

HONEYB/SHIFT225/WHITE
price: $5

HONEYB/SHIFT275/WHITE
price: $9

HONEYB/TRIANG125/WHITE
price: $3

HONEYB/TRIANG175/WHITE
price: $5

HONEYB/SPACE400/WHITE
price: $9

HONEYB/SPACE625/WHITE
price: $5

HONEYB/SPACE700/WHITE
price: $7

HONEY/FR
price: $12

HONEY/BEPO/OVR
price: $12

HONEY/7BIT
price: $12

HONEY/NUMERIC7/WHITE
price: $29

HONEY/F13TOF24/WHITE
price: $12

HONEY/GTLT
price: $1

HONEY/FJ
price: $2

HONEY/SPACE150
price: $5
More:
Round 5 (in stock
)
Round 6 (in production
)

Posted: 07 Sep 2016, 18:17
by tofagerl
Why is there an alpha/e/white kit btw? Just an extra round for phase 2?
Posted: 07 Sep 2016, 18:32
by meanderingthalweg
What keys are in these sets?
G/FUNCTION/R1/RED
G/FUNCTION4/R1/RED
G/FUNCTION5/R1/RED
G/FUNCTION6/R1/RED
G/FUNCTION7/R1/RED
Posted: 07 Sep 2016, 18:32
by phinix
Cool, so we can get phase 2 kick in now!
Posted: 07 Sep 2016, 20:10
by SL89
I should get in on that white pack swag, even tho im missing out on literally all the Cadet shit i wanted.
Posted: 07 Sep 2016, 20:35
by 7bit
meanderingthalweg wrote: What keys are in these sets?
G/FUNCTION/R1/RED
G/FUNCTION4/R1/RED
G/FUNCTION5/R1/RED
G/FUNCTION6/R1/RED
G/FUNCTION7/R1/RED
One day, I must take some photos of these ...

Posted: 07 Sep 2016, 21:32
by 7bit
SL89 wrote: I should get in on that white pack swag, even tho im missing out on literally all the Cadet shit i wanted.
There is still this one available:

Posted: 07 Sep 2016, 22:05
by zslane
SVG can store vector data, but the format was invented to enable web browsers to display simple vector graphics. Rasterization is inherent in the format, a task ordinarily handled by the browser internally. SP isn't a web browser, and so handing them an SVG file is a compromised protocol to begin with. They use their own rasterization heuristics to make sense of the SVG data, and it should come as no surprise to anyone that this gets messed up.
The preferred, and error-free way to interact with SP is to provide EPS or Illustrator files, which deliver vector data that stays vector data right up to the point where SP's cutters get involved. When tens of thousands of people's euros and dollars are at stake, there's no excuse, in my view, for not investing in Illustrator and doing things in a way that minimizes (or eliminates outright) the chances for error.
But it's too late to do anything about Round 6. I'm resigned to the significant likelihood that delivery (even for phase 1) will be a 2017 proposition, despite 7bit's hopes.
Posted: 08 Sep 2016, 10:27
by phinix
zslane wrote: ... I'm resigned to the significant likelihood that delivery (even for phase 1) will be a 2017 proposition, despite 7bit's hopes.
Please don't say that - if we all going to want it soooo bad, it will happen!
Be positive!

Posted: 08 Sep 2016, 11:06
by 7bit
zslane wrote: SVG can store vector data, but the format was invented to enable web browsers to display simple vector graphics. Rasterization is inherent in the format, a task ordinarily handled by the browser internally. SP isn't a web browser, and so handing them an SVG file is a compromised protocol to begin with. They use their own rasterization heuristics to make sense of the SVG data, and it should come as no surprise to anyone that this gets messed up.
The preferred, and error-free way to interact with SP is to provide EPS or Illustrator files, which deliver vector data that stays vector data right up to the point where SP's cutters get involved. When tens of thousands of people's euros and dollars are at stake, there's no excuse, in my view, for not investing in Illustrator and doing things in a way that minimizes (or eliminates outright) the chances for error.
But it's too late to do anything about Round 6. I'm resigned to the significant likelihood that delivery (even for phase 1) will be a 2017 proposition, despite 7bit's hopes.
How can you not messs up a legend in Illustrator?
The key cap legendable area is 0.38"x0.38", so your file must contain some information about that, plus the legend must be in the appropriate size. How can you do this without using measures.
If you give that in whatever measure you think is right, SP might again scale it to fit on the key the way
they think it is right.
Posted: 08 Sep 2016, 11:10
by Wodan
Can I still pay with 15% rebate ?

Posted: 08 Sep 2016, 12:09
by tofagerl
Can I have 15% back from what I've already purchased?

Posted: 08 Sep 2016, 12:51
by phinix
7bit wrote: Yes, but I can make use of another one, if you like to do it.

How's the additional payment going, ok?
Now having another paypal collector, does it mean you guys can puch rest of money to PMK and get phase 2 scheduled/started?
Posted: 08 Sep 2016, 14:01
by saboy
Just one (stupid) question...
How to add new items to my paid order?
Or it will be easyer to make new order?
Thanks!