Posted: 09 Aug 2012, 23:35
If you want a mushy keyboard, just get a new one from Logitech.andrewjoy wrote:Hope that this one make it feel more like a model M"ushy"
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If you want a mushy keyboard, just get a new one from Logitech.andrewjoy wrote:Hope that this one make it feel more like a model M"ushy"
Ratfink wrote:If you want a mushy keyboard, just get a new one from Logitech.andrewjoy wrote:Hope that this one make it feel more like a model M"ushy"
I sent Zach at Unicomp an email yesterday evening requesting a full set for this. I inquired if the 789UIOJKLM keys for the SSK were available. I will let you know when i hear back.dorkvader wrote:I wasn't sold on the arrowkeys either, but I just thought about it by putting my fingers out a little on a normal one, and it wasn't bad at all. The only trouble would be getting enough keys for it. I think we sholud ask unicomp about bulk pricing on the "XTant" set.
I don't have the electronic skills to design/build/program a controller. If anyone wants to take on this task, i would be very happy to help.WCass, have you considered just building your own capacitance sensor? There are some guides online, but I'm not convinced it'll be easy. (we might need a timer/oscillator for each row and column! Either that or have a bridge circuit on every row-column.)
Where are the analog electrical guys when you need them?
I have a dedicated C meter. i posted some numbers in an earlier post - if I remember correctly, a hammer down = 2pF. i gave the values for a single switch and specific switches in the matrix. i would be happy to take more measurements if anyone needs them.Also, do you cane an LCR meter or a way to reliably measure the real world values? Knowing how much the capacitance raises is essential, but knowing how much nearby switches affect it may be even more so.
So that means that future purchasers of the Xtant kit will have to purchase a normal model M and harvest barrels, springs, and hammers from it? Xtant will still use a custom PCB. I assume a custom membrane will also have to be made as well?wcass wrote:I thought i did pretty good buying a beat up XT for $12.50 last week, but one in fairly good condition sold this morning for $9.50 (+$12 for shipping) on eBay.
The qualities of a switch -the pressure, tactility, post actuation, and release - some of these might be quantifiable, but one's preference is purely subjective. If you have never tried before, it is difficult to articulate what a switch feels like, so i will try to use metaphor. To me, buckling springs feel more analog/organic compared to the Cherry's digital/inorganic feel. A model F is a full hand clap, a model M is a finger snap, and a Cherry blue is a clicky pen. This board is distinctly buckling spring. The feel of the F type hammers/springs is not exactly the same as the stock XT, but pretty close. The M type hammers/springs feel like a cross between the XT and an M. Perhaps some of the feel is due to the barrel.
Because of the difficulty with the capacitive controller, i will be switching this project to conductive switches with diodes.
I'll talk to Unicomp about a bulk purchase of M hammer/springs. i would also like to publish here a blank order form - something pre-approved by Unicomp - so that there is no ambiguity as to what size/shape and markings you want on your keys. Or maybe i'll order the keys for you as well.AKIMbO wrote:So that means that future purchasers of the Xtant kit will have to purchase a normal model M and harvest barrels, springs, and hammers from it? Xtant will still use a custom PCB. I assume a custom membrane will also have to be made as well?
it is still too early to tell. when i get it working, i will likely offer it to members of GH and DT for review. Akimbo and KillerBee live close to me and there is another cluster of the keyboard community in central Florida. i am not averse to shipping it either.fossala wrote:Does it feel like an F or and M? This is very interesting, we need more buckling spring keyboards.
That sounds really interesting. I have had similar ideas when looking into refurbishing a (crappy) Model M2. The membrane would only need to be one printed sheet, all columns, and then only rows (or vice versa) on the PCB with surface-mounted diodes on the bottom side.wcass wrote:i am working on an F/M hybrid system - F barrels, M hammers, custom top membrane and a PCB bottom. the PCB has diodes (one for each switch for NKRO) and a conductive controller (fully programmable of course).
that's an amazing idea