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Posted: 20 Dec 2016, 21:41
by //gainsborough

Posted: 20 Dec 2016, 21:50
by al.c
Parak wrote: HaaTa made some conversion code for it
thank you!!

Posted: 20 Dec 2016, 22:26
by al.c
seebart wrote:
al.c wrote: yup, i'm sure. if you google "lcd portable computer" you'll find lots of different versions of this machine...
Everyone knows that. :?
i didn't and found it a little weird.
seebart wrote:
al.c wrote: So far we know the highscreen branded one comes with blue cherrys, as well as the "coffee" one. i've seen a few with black cherrys as well.

Really, so you have several sources as proof of that!? :o
well, um..no. not hard keyboard science proof. :oops:

but to not go completely off-topic, here is one from highscreen for 68€:
https://www.willhaben.at/iad/kaufen-und ... 182473974/
might have blue cherry switches..

Posted: 20 Dec 2016, 22:34
by seebart
al.c wrote: i didn't and found it a little weird.
I tried to find out as much as I could about them when I got my Unitech K959, some of our fellow DT users helped me here is the thread:

keyboards-f2/unitech-k959-rev-2-1-t1084 ... it=unitech

I asked because I am still trying to find out for our wiki but obvioulsy it's not easy as there were quite a few of these portable computers manufactured in different variations. Like I said before after now seeing yours with Omrons it would not suprise me to see one with Alps SKCM. Patience. ;)

Posted: 21 Dec 2016, 03:14
by Chyros
al.c wrote: hey,
remember my crazy dumpster find last week, that cyan omron board?
well, today i went back there to see if i can snap some pictures of the computer it originally came with.
not much in terms of model name or even brand, seems like these things were cloned all over the place by different manufacturers:

front view
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the lcd display was already goneImage
rear view with serial
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made in taiwanImage
top
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not very exciting, but no text anywhere else on the caseImage
but!!

if you look closely to the right in the first image, you can see part of yet another 80s machine (an epson qx-10):
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connectors for monitor and.. light pen??Image
so i thought, hmm.. maybe..
and after some more digging i found it!
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i guess it really is a magic dumpster :)Image
it uses fujitsu leaf spring switches (second generation i guess):
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with some seriously massive keycaps:
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the white part is solid plastic, the cap is quite heavyImage
however, i haven't yet figured out how to connect this thing to my teensy, it has a strange 8-pin din connector:
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any advice on how to wire it up would be appreciatedImage
Yup, second-gen Fujitsu leaf spring. Really nice board, great find :) . Do the switches feel good?

Posted: 21 Dec 2016, 08:28
by al.c
Chyros wrote: Yup, second-gen Fujitsu leaf spring. Really nice board, great find :) . Do the switches feel good?
you know, it's really hard to tell, the spherical caps totally throw me off. and i wasn't able to convert it yet, which makes it even harder to judge. what i can say is that the switches feel pretty much the same over the board, so it's either in good shape or uniformly worn down.. :)

Posted: 21 Dec 2016, 12:12
by zuglufttier
Not really sure, but aren't these worth something? https://www.ebay-kleinanzeigen.de/s-anz ... 1-225-5751

Posted: 21 Dec 2016, 12:22
by Menuhin
zuglufttier wrote: Not really sure, but aren't these worth something? https://www.ebay-kleinanzeigen.de/s-anz ... 1-225-5751
This AEKII (with cream / white dampened Alps) is a nice deal with such a clean Maus.
I would take it if I have not yet acquired both of these two already separately, on eBay its also around this price, sometimes lower, sometimes higher but with such condition + Maus / Kabel can go up to around 30+€.

You can't use it though unless you have a Mac with ADB sockets, or that you have one of those ADB to USB converter (e.g. Griffin 2001-ADB iMate), or that you convert it in some other ways externally or internally using Teensy or something similar.
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Posted: 21 Dec 2016, 13:16
by E TwentyNine
Industrial SSK with the raised silver on black badge: http://www.ebay.com/itm/232180389172

Posted: 21 Dec 2016, 15:02
by Chyros
al.c wrote:
Chyros wrote: Yup, second-gen Fujitsu leaf spring. Really nice board, great find :) . Do the switches feel good?
you know, it's really hard to tell, the spherical caps totally throw me off. and i wasn't able to convert it yet, which makes it even harder to judge. what i can say is that the switches feel pretty much the same over the board, so it's either in good shape or uniformly worn down.. :)
Fujitsu used weird protocols, the only FLS board I know that is easily convertible is the Tandy 3000 keyboard which is XT.

Posted: 21 Dec 2016, 15:29
by alh84001
Somewhat interesting (and too expensive) SGI rubberdome
http://www.ebay.com/itm/291977729273

PBT caps?

Posted: 21 Dec 2016, 16:05
by zuglufttier
Menuhin wrote: This AEKII (with cream / white dampened Alps) is a nice deal with such a clean Maus.[...]
Thanks for the info! I'm happy with my SSK :D

Posted: 21 Dec 2016, 16:23
by al.c
Chyros wrote: Fujitsu used weird protocols, the only FLS board I know that is easily convertible is the Tandy 3000 keyboard which is XT.
haata has successfully converted it, there is even a picture of his wiring, but no text unfortunately:
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quite funky setup with that additional ic and external power supply (?), but kinda fitting for the keyboard :).. i'd really like to test this keyboard, maybe i can reproduce his work. i want to see these pretty leds in action! i've already sent him a pm earlier, i hope he responds..

Posted: 21 Dec 2016, 16:41
by Norman_
F122 with APL legends

He has two others listed without APL caps

http://www.ebay.com/itm/351938139327?ul_noapp=true

Posted: 21 Dec 2016, 16:44
by E TwentyNine
Norman_ wrote: F122 with APL legends

He has two others listed without APL caps

http://www.ebay.com/itm/351938139327?ul_noapp=true
If anyone's wondering, that is a legit APL F-122, p/n is correct.

Posted: 21 Dec 2016, 16:48
by Chyros
E TwentyNine wrote:
Norman_ wrote: F122 with APL legends

He has two others listed without APL caps

http://www.ebay.com/itm/351938139327?ul_noapp=true
If anyone's wondering, that is a legit APL F-122, p/n is correct.
Can someone please explain what this APL is that everyone's on about?! :lol: :lol:

Posted: 21 Dec 2016, 17:03
by alh84001
Not sure if trolling :), but https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/APL_(prog ... _language)

(look at that promo logo :lol:)

Posted: 21 Dec 2016, 17:11
by Chyros
alh84001 wrote: Not sure if trolling :), but https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/APL_(prog ... _language)

(look at that promo logo :lol:)
I had no idea, I'm not a programmer or IT person at all :p .

Posted: 21 Dec 2016, 17:14
by fohat
Norman_ wrote: F122 with APL legends

He has two others listed without APL caps

http://www.ebay.com/itm/351938139327?ul_noapp=true
This is one of Cindy's suppliers. He churns through literally tons of gear per month.

Posted: 21 Dec 2016, 17:52
by Muirium
I'd love me some authentic IBM APL caps someday. (Hideous programming language, but playfully nerdy legends!) Trouble is there's no cheap way in time or money…

The bastards are onto us!!

Posted: 21 Dec 2016, 18:24
by larryniven
Norman_ wrote: F122 with APL legends

He has two others listed without APL caps

http://www.ebay.com/itm/351938139327?ul_noapp=true
No sure if this has been discussed here or not. I had a pretty bad experience buying keyboards from him.

I purchased a keyboard advertised as having APL keycaps. He sent a regular Model F, and did not reply emails for more than two weeks that I had to open a case on ebay against him. He then said he is willing to do an exchange, and then disappeared for another two weeks, citing that he had asthma, and had a hard time breathing. He also mentioned he is a good friend of Cindy, etc... In the end, the exchange never happened.

I'm not sure how true him claims are. Just beware...

Posted: 21 Dec 2016, 18:27
by Norman_
larryniven wrote:
Norman_ wrote: F122 with APL legends

He has two others listed without APL caps

http://www.ebay.com/itm/351938139327?ul_noapp=true
No sure if this has been discussed here or not. I had a pretty bad experience buying keyboards from him.

I purchased a keyboard advertised as having APL keycaps. He sent a regular Model F, and did not reply emails for more than two weeks that I had to open a case on ebay against him. He then said he is willing to do an exchange, and then disappeared for another two weeks, citing that he had asthma, and had a hard time breathing. He also mentioned he is a good friend of Cindy, etc... In the end, the exchange never happened.

I'm not sure how true him claims are. Just beware...
I remember this guy now, I've heard sketchy stuff about him from the past.

Good thing i don't have 240 plus dollars to blow right now.

Posted: 21 Dec 2016, 21:50
by Darkshado
Menuhin wrote: convert it in some other ways externally or internally using Teensy or something similar.
You can make a an ADB-USB converter with an Arduino Pro Micro or an inexpensive clone off eBay using TMK. (Using one of those: PD0 is pin 3.)
I supplied hasu with a bugfix for the ISO detection problem and it's been merged a few days ago.

Posted: 21 Dec 2016, 23:23
by //gainsborough
What is this?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/IBI-Systems-Tra ... 1653382861

edit: it was only $22...so I bought one...no idea what to expect

Posted: 22 Dec 2016, 00:21
by marinedalek
Buy the other one, quick! List is $535.00!

EDIT: Price list, the model above is KT-1000-PS2-3-SP
http://www.ibi-systems.com/pdf/pricelist2010.pdf

Posted: 22 Dec 2016, 01:23
by Ir0n
It looks like it has a HAL eye.. Lol

Posted: 22 Dec 2016, 21:09
by alienman82
removed.

Posted: 22 Dec 2016, 22:11
by Harshmallow
alienman82 wrote: No Idea about the worth of the keyboard, but it uses SDL to SDL?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Burroug ... Sw5cNYWweA
Oh that's another ITW Magnetic Valve Keyboard. Guess it was used in a terminal - looks like the same low profile, rack mount style keyboard as the Heath Zenith SWA4300 I just got, but the switch tops are red on this one instead of white.

The K2 version of that board is a ProtoTopre dome keyboard.

Posted: 22 Dec 2016, 22:11
by mike52787
Very interestng. looks like magnetic reed switches.

Posted: 22 Dec 2016, 22:39
by //gainsborough