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Posted: 26 Feb 2016, 10:08
by Halvar
I agree. Clinton is Obama's incompetence without his personality, but still the best bet to win against Trump. About Trump, even if he had a program that I could get behind, he wouldn't be able to put into effect much because the complexities of getting anything done in politics, which means getting people behind you, are way over his head. He would hit against all kinds of walls even before building one.
Posted: 26 Feb 2016, 10:35
by kbdfr
Halvar wrote: […] Trump […] would hit against all kinds of walls even before building one.

Posted: 26 Feb 2016, 10:57
by andrewjoy
Halvar wrote: I agree. Clinton is Obama's incompetence without his personality, but still the best bet to win against Trump. About Trump, even if he had a program that I could get behind, he wouldn't be able to put into effect much because the complexities of getting anything done in politics, which means getting people behind you, are way over his head. He would hit against all kinds of walls even before building one.
The only people that vote for her a old rich people ( because money)and old women (because vagina).
The only person who is not a total asshole is Sanders. Sure he is like super old but thats not a problem , he only needs to hold out another 4 years. He is also very experienced , more so that Clinton.
Muirium wrote: But black and Hispanic voters never bought Sanders
You know he marched along side Martin Luther King in the 60s for civil rights. Whereas Clinton supported and voted for someone who wanted to overturn the civil rights changes.
Not to mention under her husbands administation that she was a part of more black americans where executed on death row than many many decades before it.
Posted: 26 Feb 2016, 11:03
by Muirium
andrewjoy wrote: The only people that vote for her a old rich people ( because money)and old women (because vagina).
Also an overwhelming 78% of black voters in the Nevada caucus:
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/02/21/us ... aucus.html
But it's nice to pigeonhole. You go, Donald!
Posted: 26 Feb 2016, 12:08
by kbdfr
andrewjoy wrote: […] The only people that vote for [Clinton] [are] old rich people ( because money)and old women (because vagina). […]
Life can be so simple

Posted: 26 Feb 2016, 12:43
by webwit
Clinton scares me, that's a true political psychopath. She doesn't mind thousands of lives of innocents for some personal political gain. Nor do her voters, who leave it unmentioned.
Posted: 26 Feb 2016, 13:20
by Muirium
I'm more than happy to keep you terrified. You want to believe the alternative is no worse. Fine. That's not the W. administration I remember. As does the scarred and burning Middle East.
Posted: 26 Feb 2016, 13:24
by andrewjoy
webwit wrote: Clinton scares me, that's a true political psychopath. She doesn't mind thousands of lives of innocents for some personal political gain. Nor do her voters, who leave it unmentioned.
The duck knows how it is!
The Duck for Deskthroity President
#makedeskthroitygreatagain
Also
look at new hampshire
Clinton also changes her opinions at the drop of a hat , was against gay marriage and then for it was for the TPP and then against it ( the TPP is some scary shit by the way) .
And she still does not have to explain why she campaigned and voted for a raciest who wanted to re-segrigate america. That being said all the kids are for segregation again, you know all the spoiled little college students wanting safe space and black spaces and white spaces and women spaces and so on, bloody regressive Left, what happend to the real liberals , oh wait there is one and his name Is Bernie Sanders.
Posted: 26 Feb 2016, 13:27
by Muirium
However did she win Nevada, in your head? I know how she won it in real life. The polling is quite clear. Nevada isn't as white as a meeting of the Bullingdon Club (not counting the decapitated pig). And neither is the great bulk of the US.
Posted: 26 Feb 2016, 13:33
by andrewjoy
And if you look at the map the only place she had a large majority ( she had majority in other area )was Las Vegas itself , there is loads of money and rich people there i wonder why that it .
And why they would want to vote for someone who wanted to make them sit at the back of the bus again is beyond me , it just shows that the general electorate does not do any research and just vote for whoever paid the most for adverts on the TV, and guess who that was , the candidate who is backed by big business and lobby groups, shocker that one.
Posted: 26 Feb 2016, 13:40
by Muirium
Believe it if you want.
Las Vegas is actually dominated by Latina casino workers. They're the ones she won big time, and the urban black vote.
Ever looked at a political map of America? Most states are red, speckled with blue cities. No surprise. The cities are multicultural while the suburbs and rural areas are white, like New Hampshire. They tend to vote for the conservative in November, besides.
England is this way too. Take out the cities, and it's a one party state. Like Scotland, but wrong party!
Posted: 26 Feb 2016, 13:43
by seebart
Don't worry Redmaus I'm not a socialist by German standards, now for some fun (can't find it in HD):
Republican Presidential Debate P1 Feb 25, 2016 | GOP Debate
andrewjoy wrote:
The Duck for Deskthroity President
#makedeskthroitygreatagain

Posted: 26 Feb 2016, 13:47
by Muirium
Not to be confused with:
Which is actually a documentary about a hypothetical Trump presidency, helpfully made in the 1980s, in the form of a music video.
Posted: 26 Feb 2016, 13:48
by andrewjoy
I am not saying they did not vote for her, i am saying that they are stupid to vote for someone who is against there interests. Most people do not research the candidate if they things would look allot different.
ON Trump, he is amazing at what he does you have to agree with that, and yes he takes it too far but at least he has the balls to say something even if it is wrong / excessive.
And honestly i would take insane right over regressive left .
Posted: 26 Feb 2016, 13:49
by seebart
Muirium wrote: ...Which is actually a documentary about a hypothetical Trump presidency, helpfully made in the 1980s, in the form of a music video.
That's too hardcore for me.

Posted: 26 Feb 2016, 13:54
by Khers
@Redmaus; I think the way you write about socialism is rather ignorant and upsetting. I'm definitely not a socialist, at least not by Swedish standards, but if I was an American, I'm rather certain I'd be labeled a commie.
And for the record, I think that Trump is a very thoughtful, and expensive, practical joke on the american political system.
Posted: 26 Feb 2016, 13:56
by seebart
Khers wrote: ...but if I was an American, I'm rather certain I'd be labeled a commie.
Yes I would be too, probably quite a few of us Europeans.

Posted: 26 Feb 2016, 13:59
by andrewjoy
Khers wrote:
And for the record, I think that Trump is a very thoughtful, and expensive, practical joke on the american political system.
LOL i think that sometimes
Khers wrote: if I was an American, I'm rather certain I'd be labeled a commie.
Honestly the EU countries should revoke there independence , they are too stupid to govern themselvs
Posted: 26 Feb 2016, 14:04
by seebart
andrewjoy wrote: Honestly the EU countries should revoke there independence , they are too stupid to govern themselvs
It's going the other way right now, the EU union is moving apart. I guess the UK isn't sure if it even wants to be part anymore...which I can understand.
Posted: 26 Feb 2016, 14:04
by Khers
Let's mitigate the separation and create the United States of Europe and have Bush rule it instead.
Posted: 26 Feb 2016, 14:11
by Muirium
Honestly, England would make a fantastic 51st state of the US. By American standards, they're liberal, and they've a bigger population than even California.
Of course, Wales, the Isle of Wight, and every other little oddball should be separate states. That way you get more senators too, like "north" and "south" Dakota.
Scotland, well, I'd be the 1% who thinks this is a better idea than the status quo! We could be the new Vermont…
Posted: 26 Feb 2016, 14:12
by seebart
Oh W. himself was fun, his administration less so...

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Meanwhile Mrs. Clinton seems to have some slight awkward stuff going on:
http://mashable.com/2016/02/25/hillary- ... gGUxLoSZq1
http://www.salon.com/2016/02/26/hillary ... rous_time/
Posted: 26 Feb 2016, 14:16
by Muirium
That presidency was pronounced Bush, but spelled Cheney.
Posted: 26 Feb 2016, 15:06
by webwit
Muirium wrote: I'm more than happy to keep you terrified. You want to believe the alternative is no worse. Fine. That's not the W. administration I remember. As does the scarred and burning Middle East.
You are so naive. Has Obama closed GB yet? Stopped bombing weddings? That's your hero.
Posted: 26 Feb 2016, 15:23
by seebart
I think what many don't understand that the greater system of the govermantal behemoth cannot be changed, or only very slowly in small steps. That's why I found the initial Obama campain so ridiculous. Hope and change are important but stay realistic, especially in politics.
Posted: 26 Feb 2016, 15:26
by Muirium
Propaganda. You don't get elected telling people how powerless you are.
Besides, Fuck Obama:
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... dependence
Heroes are for eight year olds and merchandising!
Posted: 26 Feb 2016, 15:26
by webwit
Then the other candidate will be elected! Well he got his health care. That's about it. A rather weak president he was.
Posted: 26 Feb 2016, 15:26
by Redmaus
Sorry I had to do more driving practice, been gone awhile. Lots of new stuff in this thread now
webwit wrote: Muirium wrote: I'm more than happy to keep you terrified. You want to believe the alternative is no worse. Fine. That's not the W. administration I remember. As does the scarred and burning Middle East.
You are so naive. Has Obama closed GB yet? Stopped bombing weddings? That's your hero.
True. Obama will cry about guns and continue to carry out strikes on innocents without talking about it.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... n-afghani/
And as to Bernie's tax plan, it is just plain wrong.

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Does that look fair to you?
Source:
http://www.vox.com/2016/1/22/10814798/b ... -tax-rates
I am only a teenager, so this would actually help me at my age but I recognize that it does not treat people fairly at all.
The tax rate should be flat. Rich people will just store their savings elsewhere or leave the country if they don't do so already.
Posted: 26 Feb 2016, 15:30
by Redmaus
As a native person from Scotland, what was your view on this issue? I really don't know much but I would love to hear your input. Looks like I can see already, but why do you want Scotland independent? I always thought most people wanted UK to stay together.
Posted: 26 Feb 2016, 15:30
by Muirium
Flat tax now? It just gets better!