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Posted: 25 Apr 2017, 14:20
by Slom
mike52787 wrote:
if one of you german dudes would proxy this for me, I would love you forever. Nevermind... I realized this was not the one I wanted.
Seems to be gone, I just asked the seller.
noppoo choc mini 40€
https://www.ebay-kleinanzeigen.de/s-anz ... 6-225-2013
Posted: 25 Apr 2017, 20:09
by DoctorDubplate
Posted: 25 Apr 2017, 20:34
by photekq
Good username

Posted: 25 Apr 2017, 20:52
by //gainsborough
fohat wrote: There are ways to nearly functionally re-create "faux-blue" Alps to achieve the best attributes of each component.
Truly "new" blue Alps in conventional configurations are probably so rare as to truly qualify as near "unobtainium" ....
What makes them special? If you can get clean fresh switch bodies and transplant the appropriate moving components into them, you could probably re-create "Franken-blues" that give you what you want at (somewhat) less cost in time and money than chasing the originals in their original state. Some components (plastic) wear out, but others (metal) do not (assuming that they are protected from rusting).
Chassis? Forget it and buy a Northgate Omnikey 101. Springs? Orange Alps are similar to blue. Sliders? mostly the same.
Or, to paraphrase Graham Chapman in "The Life of Brian": "You've got to work it out for yourself."
XMIT wrote: An Omnikey 101 (great case and NKRO), and Orange switches (correct spring weight and switch plate) with pine white click leaves, will get you a really nice board that is mostly indistinguishable from Alps Blues if it is clean. You could combine an AEK I and an Omnikey to get this.
What a coincidence! I did exactly this yesterday and I came to the same conclusion: these sound and feel almost exactly like blue alps! I hybridized some switches in a NIB OmniKey 102
My combination for the switches are:
Bottom housing: bamboo white alps
Switchplate: short white (really wish they were tall, but I didn't want to desolder)
click leaf: white alps click-leaf
slider: orange alps slider
spring: orange alps spring
top housing: Pine housing from the orange alps
The only way I could think to improve it would be if it had tall switchplates - but it is still amazing. The original switches in the omnikey 102 were bamboo whites (the model number 2052469), which is why I decided to modify it in the first place - had the switches been pine I probably would have left them alone.
Posted: 25 Apr 2017, 21:39
by Norman_
UGH, if it weren't missing the F22 I'd be all over it
Posted: 25 Apr 2017, 22:40
by dokyun
Does AT&T BS have any significant weighting difference from IBM membrane BS?
Posted: 25 Apr 2017, 22:43
by ohaimark
I measured them at about 5g lighter across the board, but take that with a grain of salt. For all I know it could be poor spring batch quality control.
Posted: 25 Apr 2017, 23:30
by codemonkeymike
I think this is the earliest Olympia typewriter with Marquardt butterfly switches
http://www.ebay.de/itm/Schreibmaschine- ... G#shpCntId
I would pick it up if he shipped to USA, or I could pick it up from him while I was in Germany (8 days from now!). But I have no idea of how to go about that. Anyway I hope someone here gets it(or could help me proxy it

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Posted: 27 Apr 2017, 02:01
by Hypersphere
//gainsborough wrote: fohat wrote: There are ways to nearly functionally re-create "faux-blue" Alps to achieve the best attributes of each component.
Truly "new" blue Alps in conventional configurations are probably so rare as to truly qualify as near "unobtainium" ....
What makes them special? If you can get clean fresh switch bodies and transplant the appropriate moving components into them, you could probably re-create "Franken-blues" that give you what you want at (somewhat) less cost in time and money than chasing the originals in their original state. Some components (plastic) wear out, but others (metal) do not (assuming that they are protected from rusting).
Chassis? Forget it and buy a Northgate Omnikey 101. Springs? Orange Alps are similar to blue. Sliders? mostly the same.
Or, to paraphrase Graham Chapman in "The Life of Brian": "You've got to work it out for yourself."
XMIT wrote: An Omnikey 101 (great case and NKRO), and Orange switches (correct spring weight and switch plate) with pine white click leaves, will get you a really nice board that is mostly indistinguishable from Alps Blues if it is clean. You could combine an AEK I and an Omnikey to get this.
What a coincidence! I did exactly this yesterday and I came to the same conclusion: these sound and feel almost exactly like blue alps! I hybridized some switches in a NIB OmniKey 102
My combination for the switches are:
Bottom housing: bamboo white alps
Switchplate: short white (really wish they were tall, but I didn't want to desolder)
click leaf: white alps click-leaf
slider: orange alps slider
spring: orange alps spring
top housing: Pine housing from the orange alps
The only way I could think to improve it would be if it had tall switchplates - but it is still amazing. The original switches in the omnikey 102 were bamboo whites (the model number 2052469), which is why I decided to modify it in the first place - had the switches been pine I probably would have left them alone.
This is essentially what I did back in November of last year.
workshop-f7/northgate-omnikey-101-with- ... 15187.html
Question: Were SKCM white Alps switches ever produced with tall switchplates?
Posted: 27 Apr 2017, 04:53
by //gainsborough
Yeah I remember that! Definitely some inception level stuff happened. I wasn't able to do my whole board, unfortunately - as I didn't have enough orange alps from the m0116. Yours looks absolutely stunning painted black like that.
Also, regarding your question, I was
sure that I was going to have an example for you. I have a gold label omnikey with white alps, and I figured if there was going to be a white alps board with tall switchplates, that would be the one. It doesn't, though. Very strange. I'm leaning towards "no" now.
Posted: 27 Apr 2017, 14:12
by Chyros
I can't recall ever having seen white Alps with tall switchplates, and none of my boards have them. If someone does though, please let me know, I'm trying to piece together in what order the parts were changed

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Posted: 27 Apr 2017, 18:57
by Harshmallow
It doesn't seem likely that any White Alps were made with tall switch plates, as the Packard Bell and perhaps a few other boards are proof that Blue Alps were switching to short switch plates before they were phased out. I have an old version of White Alps in a board with no alps logo on the top and those also have short white switch plates.
Posted: 28 Apr 2017, 04:11
by gnmar2723
Posted: 28 Apr 2017, 10:44
by ohaimark
That is damn awesome. The boxes are stunning!
I'm net going to buy one, as they're G81s, but I'm sure some people will be all over that.
Posted: 28 Apr 2017, 19:06
by gnmar2723
ohaimark wrote: That is damn awesome. The boxes are stunning!
I'm net going to buy one, as they're G81s, but I'm sure some people will be all over that.
A bit unfortunate that they are g81's, but the caps alone will definitely be worth it for some!
Posted: 29 Apr 2017, 14:52
by Engicoder
Posted: 29 Apr 2017, 14:56
by Daniel Beardsmore
Tall cream (SKCCAF) not cream. Made in 1987.
Posted: 29 Apr 2017, 15:19
by subcat
Cool PFU board with interesting caps. Thumb shift buttons, layout, label, date and the fact that it's PFU lead me to believe it's Leaf Spring.
https://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/s527475108
Posted: 29 Apr 2017, 15:32
by Stabilized
gnmar2723 wrote:
A bit unfortunate that they are g81's, but the caps alone will definitely be worth it for some!
Is $88 a good price for new Cherry OG keycaps? I don't really know the going rate but I assumed it would be a bit lower considering the less standard 1800 layout.
Re: Great/Interesting Finds
Posted: 29 Apr 2017, 15:40
by hansichen
They are nib, so no shine or yellowing. And the 1800 layout is very popular, just look at all the 96 key boards, you can use the caps and fill a complete board with them.
Posted: 29 Apr 2017, 17:30
by jerue
Stabilized wrote: gnmar2723 wrote:
A bit unfortunate that they are g81's, but the caps alone will definitely be worth it for some!
Is $88 a good price for new Cherry OG keycaps? I don't really know the going rate but I assumed it would be a bit lower considering the less standard 1800 layout.
G81-1800 is easy to find, but not always NIB, I've sold them new without boxes for more...so yes this is a good price, especially if you're after a box for your 1800

Posted: 29 Apr 2017, 18:42
by gnmar2723
G81-1800 is easy to find, but not always NIB, I've sold them new without boxes for more...so yes this is a good price, especially if you're after a box for your 1800

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Does G81 case work with a G80 pcb build? Thinking about putting an mx build in one of the old cases...
Re: Great/Interesting Finds
Posted: 29 Apr 2017, 18:52
by ba7777
Yes they are compatible.
Posted: 29 Apr 2017, 20:22
by gnmar2723
Looks like I have another project to add to my list...
Posted: 01 May 2017, 10:53
by ohaimark
Posted: 01 May 2017, 19:22
by gnmar2723
I wonder if those are mx or alps mount, dysub or double shot.
Posted: 01 May 2017, 19:23
by ohaimark
Likely doubleshot primaries and pad printed Cyrillic subs.
Posted: 02 May 2017, 07:56
by Delirious
gnmar2723 wrote: I wonder if those are mx or alps mount, dysub or double shot.
It's alps, look at the 2 shift keys on the first picture you can see the straight stabilizer bars.
Posted: 02 May 2017, 10:35
by ohaimark
Cherries can use Costar stabs, so that isn't guaranteed.
Posted: 02 May 2017, 16:59
by Harshmallow
Guys - check the wiki. It's this I believe:
wiki/Oriental_Tech_OK-100M
Would seem to be Oriental Tech Spring Over Membrane.
And according to the wiki, the OK-100M has Tai-Hao doubleshots...though the Cyrillic legends could still be pad printed I assume.