deskthority

Posted: **10 Dec 2013, 10:09**

input wrote:My latest invoice with the changed price didn't have payment collectors details (was david megan I think before), shall I just wait till the price is fixed?

It is only a couple of dollers

You guessed right!

Posted: **10 Dec 2013, 10:27**

Yay I just paid in full! $$$$$

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Sum                   |                                 |      |   |1211|1106.00
PAYPAL                |PayPal fees                      |    4%|   |    |  42.85
Total                 |                                 |      |   |1211|1148.85

No love for HONEY/NUMOP, 7bit? I would gladly burn off some more cash for that one

Posted: **10 Dec 2013, 10:45**

I can't add more and more legend/color combinations while there is still a deficite!

We need more volume for that!

Posted: **10 Dec 2013, 10:46**

are the keys ready yet? (first!

)

Posted: **10 Dec 2013, 11:12**

Almost.

We have 180 orders, if everybody pays $30 extra, or orders more kits, like langauge, extra modifiers, function and numeric keys, there will be no loss for me.

Otherwise, we are off by ~$5500.

Posted: **10 Dec 2013, 11:39**

7bit wrote:Almost.

We have 180 orders, if everybody pays $30 extra, or orders more kits, like langauge, extra modifiers, function and numeric keys, there will be no loss for me.

Otherwise, we are off by ~$5500.

That's a worryingly large amount. What's causing the expense? I'm new(ish) to the workings of group buys.

Posted: **10 Dec 2013, 11:41**

7bit wrote:Almost.

We have 180 orders, if everybody pays $30 extra, or orders more kits, like langauge, extra modifiers, function and numeric keys, there will be no loss for me.

Otherwise, we are off by ~$5500.

sorry what?!?! raise all prices a bit and send a second invoice!

Posted: **10 Dec 2013, 12:32**

Wait, so the choice is;

a) pay an extra $30

b) order an extra $30 worth of keycaps

What am I missing here?

Posted: **10 Dec 2013, 14:21**

Yslen wrote:...
That's a worryingly large amount. What's causing the expense? I'm new(ish) to the workings of group buys.

matt3o wrote:...
sorry what?!?! raise all prices a bit and send a second invoice!

Well, the problem is caused by kits I sell as if there where around 20-25 kits ordered.

Yslen wrote:Wait, so the choice is;

a) pay an extra $30

b) order an extra $30 worth of keycaps

What am I missing here?

Ideally you would order 2x FR kit (insatead of one) or 2x MODEXTRA150 etc.

Posted: **10 Dec 2013, 14:24**

7bit wrote:
Yslen wrote:...
That's a worryingly large amount. What's causing the expense? I'm new(ish) to the workings of group buys.

matt3o wrote:...
sorry what?!?! raise all prices a bit and send a second invoice!
Well, the problem is caused by kits I sell as if there where around 20-25 kits ordered.

I can see how it's a delicate situation; raising everyone's prices to pay for kits only a few want seems unfair, but raising the prices on those kits to reflect their actual cost risks people dropping out :/

Posted: **10 Dec 2013, 14:26**

list the sets you need more orders for. wait a couple of days for more orders to come. drop sets that got too few orders. check if you are still out of budget

Posted: **10 Dec 2013, 14:38**

I'm all willing to help for other people to get the stuff they want as they also pay for mine, but this GB has grown to be excessive in this respect IMO.

Posted: **10 Dec 2013, 14:44**

Halvar wrote:but this GB has grown to be excessive in this respect IMO.

also this

Posted: **10 Dec 2013, 19:11**

Who is 周宇 ?

周宇 paid some money to megnin without adding any text to identify the payment.

If the amount does not belong to anybody else, it must belong to me.

Posted: **10 Dec 2013, 21:49**

but what if someone ordered say $30 of caps then have to pay another $30 to make up for the more unpopular sets costing 7bit....it's effectively doubling their order cost. If it's a straight up addition of $30 to everyone then some will get less value than others...don't that'd work :/

Posted: **10 Dec 2013, 21:58**

There's problems with jacking up the prices, or putting a surcharge on everyone's order. Better to look into these unpopular kits and see what really deserves to be kept. I'm sure there'll be a few I've ordered too, but we should debate them and make the cut.

Posted: **10 Dec 2013, 22:01**

I've done so much tweaking at this point. It seems any change ends up in hours of tweaking. lol yes I know I'm pathetic.

Posted: **10 Dec 2013, 22:01**

fart_toast wrote:but what if someone ordered say $30 of caps then have to pay another $30 to make up for the more unpopular sets costing 7bit....it's effectively doubling their order cost. If it's a straight up addition of $30 to everyone then some will get less value than others...don't that'd work :/

These $30 are not a big issue, but I will have to raise some prices. I already finished a tool that shows me how expensive each kit really is.

Posted: **10 Dec 2013, 22:13**

Also if that $5500 is (quote) - (collected), I still haven't paid so that will take care of some of that number.

Posted: **10 Dec 2013, 22:20**

7bit wrote:
fart_toast wrote:but what if someone ordered say $30 of caps then have to pay another $30 to make up for the more unpopular sets costing 7bit....it's effectively doubling their order cost. If it's a straight up addition of $30 to everyone then some will get less value than others...don't that'd work :/
These $30 are not a big issue, but I will have to raise some prices. I already finished a tool that shows me how expensive each kit really is.

Are there any kits that are close to 25? I'll pick them up just to resell if I think they have potential for that. Or hell I'll pick up a few more standard kits just to resell if it doesn't matter which ones.

Just take my money!

Posted: **10 Dec 2013, 23:05**

7bit wrote:
fart_toast wrote:but what if someone ordered say $30 of caps then have to pay another $30 to make up for the more unpopular sets costing 7bit....it's effectively doubling their order cost. If it's a straight up addition of $30 to everyone then some will get less value than others...don't that'd work :/
These $30 are not a big issue, but I will have to raise some prices. I already finished a tool that shows me how expensive each kit really is.

That's probably a good approach

!

Posted: **10 Dec 2013, 23:59**

OK, here is what has to go quite soon:

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Order-ID                |ord|key|price
HONEY/INTER/RED         |  4| 38| 35.00
HONEY/INTER/RED2        |  0| 76| 52.00
HONEY/INTER/RED3        |  0|114| 72.00
HONEY/INTER/BLACK       |  3| 44| 39.00
HONEY/INTER/BLACK2      |  0| 88| 59.00
HONEY/INTER/BLACK3      |  0|132| 79.00
HONEY/BEPOALPHA         |  4| 51| 45.00
HONEY/BEPOALPHA2        |  0|102| 79.00
HONEY/BEPOALPHA3        |  0|153| 99.00
HONEY/BEPOALPHA4        |  0|204|109.00
HONEY/APPLE150/RED      |  2|  4|  5.00
HONEY/APPLE150/BLACK    |  2|  4|  6.00
HONEY/MODSYM100/BLACK   |  1|  8|  7.00
HONEY/MODSYM125/BLACK   |  1|  8|  9.00
HONEY/MODSYM150/BLACK   |  1|  8|  9.00
HONEY/NUMERIC/RED       |  1| 28| 19.00
HONEY/NUMROW/GREY       |  2| 23| 18.00
HONEY/NUMROW/BLACK      |  2| 23| 18.00
HONEY/NUMROW/RED        |  3| 23| 18.00
HONEY/F13TOF24/WHITE    |  1| 12| 12.00
HONEY/F1TOF24/WHITE     |  1| 24| 19.00
HONEY/POS               |  5| 32| 39.00
HONEY/SHIFT100/RED      |  1|  1|  1.00
HONEY/SHIFT100/R4/RED   |  1|  1|  1.00
HONEY/SHIFT150/R4/RED   |  2|  1|  2.00
HONEY/SHIFT175/R4/RED   |  2|  1|  2.00
HONEY/SHIFT200/BLACK    |  3|  1|  2.00
HONEY/VERTBSL/R2/RED    |  1|  1|  1.00
HONEY/VERTBSL/R3/RED    |  1|  1|  1.00
HONEY/VERTBSL/R4/RED    |  0|  1|  1.00
HONEY/ASTQUOTE150       |  2|  1|  2.00
HONEY/ASTQUOTE150/GREY  |  1|  1|  2.00
HONEY/ASTQUOTE150/RED   |  1|  1|  2.00
HONEY/SPACE300/GREY     |  1|  1|  4.00
HONEY/SPACE300/RED      |  1|  1|  4.00
HONEY/SPACE300/BLACK    |  1|  1|  4.00
HONEY/SPACE450/GREY     |  3|  1|  4.00
HONEY/SPACE450/RED      |  3|  1|  4.00
HONEY/LOTUS225          |  1|  1|  3.00
HONEY/LOTUS275          |  0|  1|  3.00
HONEY/LOTUS175/RED      |  3|  1|  3.00
HONEY/LOTUS225/RED      |  2|  1|  3.00
HONEY/LOTUS275/RED      |  0|  1|  3.00
HONEY/LOTUS175/BLACK    |  1|  1|  3.00
HONEY/LOTUS175S/BLACK   |  5|  1|  3.00
HONEY/LOTUS225/BLACK    |  1|  1|  3.00
HONEY/LOTUS275/BLACK    |  0|  1|  3.00
HONEY/POS/BLANK         |  0| 28| 49.00
HONEY/POS2/BLANK        |  0|  8| 15.00
HONEY/POS4/BLANK        |  1| 52| 59.00

If you want these, please order more!!!

Posted: **11 Dec 2013, 00:15**

HONEY/INTER/RED

Posted: **11 Dec 2013, 00:18**

tlt wrote:HONEY/INTER/RED

Want some? Order more!

There are HONEY/INTER/RED2 and HONEY/INTER/RED3 at a cheaper per key price.

Posted: **11 Dec 2013, 00:47**

Ok, I'll try that.

Change your HONEY/INTER/RED to HONEY/INTER/RED2, like me people!

Posted: **11 Dec 2013, 00:53**

I'm raising some prices to see how where we are.

Maybe I will lower them again or lower some prices for kits which got more love ...

Posted: **11 Dec 2013, 00:55**

7bit wrote:OK, here is what has to go quite soon:

If you want these, please order more!!!

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MSG 7bit:

HONEY/NUMROW/GREY 2
HONEY/NUMROW/WHITE 2
HONEY/NUMROW/BLACK 2
HONEY/SHIFT100/RED
HONEY/SHIFT100/R4/RED
HONEY/SHIFT200/BLACK
HONEY/SHIFT200/R4 2
HONEY/SHIFT100/R4 2
HONEY/VERTBSL/R1 2
HONEY/VERTBSL/R1/RED 2
HONEY/SPACE450/GREY 3
HONEY/SPACE450/RED 3
HONEY/REDESCAPE/R2 3
HONEY/SPACE100
HONEY/SPACE150
HONEY/SPACE300
HONEY/SPACE400
HONEY/SPACE450 3
HONEY/SPACE625 5
HONEY/SPACE625/BLACK 3
HONEY/SPACE700
HONEY/INTER

There go you. I hope I saved some kits. If everyone pitches in, then it will cost less and we won't have to sacrifice kits!

PS: Sorry I couldn't save any Lotus. They're just kind of ugly

Posted: **11 Dec 2013, 01:14**

I will re-calculate prices tomorrow!

Posted: **11 Dec 2013, 01:14**

Are you off by that much due to non-payments, in part? Also is it mostly for newer kits you have just recently listed? Because some things have gotten added just this past week even, so there hasn't been enough time for them to gather as much interest. Just trying to understand what contributed to that difference in expected values.

(Also, does the ordering go by cap? So you really order n caps of each kind and form them into sets, right? That's how you can calculate all the individual set combination prices. Like 100 Gray 2.25x Enter caps distributed among 12 sets, 125 "A" 1x caps distributed among 17 sets, etc.--I'm just making it up. Is that right? Curiousity.)

Posted: **11 Dec 2013, 01:18**

No, it has got nothing to do with people who paid or did not pay. It just does not work out to sell a few kits when prices are for a minimum of 25 keys each.

deskthority

Round 5 and Round 6 kits for sale!