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Posted: 10 Aug 2016, 13:29
by Ellipse
These cases are not compatible with original internal assemblies. Khers it may be an illusion due to the photos.

Posted: 10 Aug 2016, 13:35
by Khers
:oops: Sorry for the misinformation! Edited my post :)

Posted: 11 Aug 2016, 03:35
by Ellipse
Khers the photos show some bottom cases and some top cases - all of the original style top cases are identical to each other besides the colors, and the same with all the original style bottom cases.

Posted: 12 Aug 2016, 02:53
by Ellipse
A few people are upgrading to the True Red cases after seeing the case photos - I am happy to upgrade you if you let me know in the next few weeks, or you can add a spare case.

Posted: 12 Aug 2016, 18:10
by frankbartoli
Hi ellipse, are there news about shipping of F62?
thanks

Posted: 12 Aug 2016, 22:27
by Ellipse
Hi Frank - the most recent update was that there have been significant delays on the case molds with getting them into production and then getting the powdercoat texture and color correct. I am getting the powdercoated die cast zinc case samples in hand next week but I noted that I will not compromise the project and allow bad powdercoating to make it into the final product in order to reduce the wait time by 1-2 months. I am basing the off-white powdercoating color and texture on my brand new in foam packaging original F77 keyboard which has not had the effects of sunlight exposure (Model F powdercoat colors do vary so it won't match your original Model F keyboard most likely, for example). The industrial gray powdercoating is going to be similar to my Industrial SSK color, which is slightly but noticeably different from the color of full size Industrial M cases.

Re: F62+F77 orders now open! New Kishsaver+Industrial Model F Keyboards

Posted: 13 Aug 2016, 03:58
by Vizir
How much additional for the red case? And the silver?

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Posted: 13 Aug 2016, 05:33
by Ellipse
They are $75 extra for those colors.

Posted: 14 Aug 2016, 22:34
by Ellipse
We are up to 278 keyboards ordered! 128 of F62 and 150 of F77. Of those orders, there are 11 F62 compact case keyboards and 20 F77 compact case keyboard orders.

Other notable totals:
37 Industrial SSK keycap sets
4 DHL Express shipping upgrades (save a few weeks and be the among the first to get your keyboard)
About 900 extra barrels and 1,200 extra flippers and springs (everyone gets the bulk discount price throughout the end of the final round)
9 Apple/Mac Command-Option Key sets
29 extra inner foam orders

Re: F62+F77 orders now open! New Kishsaver+Industrial Model F Keyboards

Posted: 15 Aug 2016, 03:48
by Vizir
Will the compact case have those colors?

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Posted: 15 Aug 2016, 03:58
by Ellipse
Vizir those custom powdercoated colors are only for the original cases. I am looking into extra color options for the hard anodized ultra compact cases.

Posted: 15 Aug 2016, 08:29
by Virtureal
Ellipse wrote: We are up to 278 keyboards ordered! 128 of F62 and 150 of F77. Of those orders, there are 11 F62 compact case keyboards and 20 F77 compact case keyboard orders.

Other notable totals:
37 Industrial SSK keycap sets
4 DHL Express shipping upgrades (save a few weeks and be the among the first to get your keyboard)
About 900 extra barrels and 1,200 extra flippers and springs (everyone gets the bulk discount price throughout the end of the final round)
9 Apple/Mac Command-Option Key sets
29 extra inner foam orders
Any statistics on colour choices for case and keycaps?

Re: F62+F77 orders now open! New Kishsaver+Industrial Model F Keyboards

Posted: 15 Aug 2016, 11:11
by Phenix
Please add that awesome red to the compact ones. Looks awesome

Posted: 16 Aug 2016, 03:20
by Ellipse
Virtureal the current case color breakdown is about 26% Black, 40% Gray, 30% Off-White/Beige, and the rest are custom colors (True Red or Pantone 14-5002 Silver Gray).

The powdercoated case samples came in today and the factory did a good job. I will be asking the factory to add a little more gray to darken the Off-White/Beige paint color, and the Silver Gray color is a little too bluish/too light.

Industrial Gray was a close match to my original IBM Industrial SSK plastic case; True Red and Black also came out well.

The powdercoating on the Brand New Model F keyboards is in my view an even higher quality process than that of the originals - it feels a lot more protective and less likely to flake - but time will tell I guess.
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Posted: 16 Aug 2016, 03:25
by lot_lizard
Very nice color matching. Not easy to do with powders... well done

Posted: 16 Aug 2016, 13:29
by Khers
Wow, not so worried about the beigeness of the beige anymore! (I thought the beige was far too, you know, beige in the factory's photos.) It looks f-ing awesome!

Really impressive color matching for something being done on the other side of the globe. Well done, Ellipse!

Posted: 16 Aug 2016, 23:53
by gnarlsagan
Hmm really tough call between the pantone silver and industrial gray. Ellipse, is it possible to get a comparison shot, keeping in mind that the final coloring of the Silver will be less blue/light?

Posted: 17 Aug 2016, 00:16
by Hypersphere
@Ellipse: Looking good. The industrial grey looks especially nice. I also like the red -- almost makes me wish I had ordered red instead of black. The black looks glossier than I had anticipated. Somehow, I had thought that the black was to be a matte black (?)

Posted: 17 Aug 2016, 05:50
by Elrick
lot_lizard wrote: Very nice color matching. Not easy to do with powders... well done
The ONLY problem with powder-coating is that every job is hand finished hence you will have to accept the job perpetrated by someone else, on the other side of this planet.

So only when you finally receive it, can you alone determine whether it's up to a high standard or not. Not saying that Ellipse has picked dodgy sprayers here but powder coating is a highly specialised finishing service, open to all sorts of problems and mistakes.

Posted: 18 Aug 2016, 00:39
by Ellipse
Hypersphere the colors are all as matte as possible while still maximizing durability of the powdercoating. There are some reflections in the darker colors. The powdercoating on these new keyboards is of a more durable mix of paint compared to the originals which did not seem to have as good a powdercoating job and were more prone to chipping.

Posted: 18 Aug 2016, 01:48
by Vizir
Ellipse, I'd like to change one of the keyboards to True Red, and since I'm switching the color around, I'd like to change a couple more things in my order, if at all possible!

Posted: 20 Aug 2016, 04:41
by Xovaan
Hey Ellipse,

In my ultra compact order, I asked for all black keys. Is it possible to, in addition to the black keys, get a set of normal keycaps in the similar layout invoiced? How much would this cost?

Thanks in advance!

Posted: 20 Aug 2016, 04:55
by Ellipse
Yes, you can place another order and I'll add it to your existing order. Here's the store item for ordering extra key sets: https://www.modelfkeyboards.com/product ... iece-keys/

Posted: 20 Aug 2016, 18:12
by Ellipse
We just passed $130,000 in orders this week!

Posted: 22 Aug 2016, 16:09
by Felion
I've resisted for a very long time: but alas: I finally fell for the peer-preassure (damn you khers ;) ). Can't wait for this beaty to be under my fingers!

Thanks for your hard work Ellipse!

Posted: 25 Aug 2016, 05:21
by Ellipse
Great Felion!

Here are the very first of the factory-made compact xwhatsit PCBs! Production of the compact xwhatsit controllers has finished but the capacitive PCBs are not yet ready. This photo shows two assembled with components and one test PCB with just solder paste.
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Posted: 26 Aug 2016, 22:40
by Hypersphere
There's something deeply soothing about the green of a PCB.

Posted: 28 Aug 2016, 03:03
by Ellipse
I was looking at the expansion header of those compact xwhatsit controllers and was wondering - are there any non-IBM solenoids that you can buy today that can be directly driven by the xwhatsit controller and not needing the solenoid driver board? Maybe one that meets the power requirements, maybe a smaller one? Has anyone done this?

Re: F62+F77 orders now open! New Kishsaver+Industrial Model F Keyboards

Posted: 28 Aug 2016, 04:14
by Vizir
Ellipse wrote:I was looking at the expansion header of those compact xwhatsit controllers and was wondering - are there any non-IBM solenoids that you can buy today that can be directly driven by the xwhatsit controller and not needing the solenoid driver board? Maybe one that meets the power requirements, maybe a smaller one? Has anyone done this?
I've wondered about this too, but so far no one seems to have tried.

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Posted: 28 Aug 2016, 15:59
by darkspider
I've once researched it. But most products existing have problem on its resistance or voltage acceptability.

The topic about IBM solenoid alternatives.
keyboards-f2/ibm-solenoid-question-t9103.html