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Posted: 28 Jul 2018, 08:00
by Chyros
Tbh that's assuming they DO come with Scorpius dome with slider.
Posted: 28 Jul 2018, 14:54
by Noobmaen
Gnohio wrote:
I'd be down for one depending on the price and shipping to the US. I love trackball boards and I'd be curious to see how good those RDs actually are, taking Chyros' word for it
Tracked shipping to US and Canada costs about 20€ using DHL for 2kg package, these boards should weigh a lot less
Posted: 28 Jul 2018, 16:15
by Chyros
Noobmaen wrote:
Tracked shipping to US and Canada costs about 20€ using DHL for 2kg package, these boards should weigh a lot less
My Scorp104 weighs exactly 900 grams, for reference.
If we're going to do a group buy of these, it would probably be useful to get a cap-off picture of the switches though, just to be sure
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Posted: 28 Jul 2018, 16:33
by tron
Posted: 28 Jul 2018, 16:34
by Laser
Dyesub PBT keycaps for any *Topre* keyboard, also with Vim keys (KBDFans, Group Buy):
https://kbdfans.cn/products/gbelectrost ... ub-keycaps
Posted: 28 Jul 2018, 22:03
by Keybug
Just missed
this strange beast ("vintage PC in a keyboard") - my bid came in second.
Possible blue ALPS? It also has
weird colours on some keys (e.g. green tab and enter legends, blue horizontal and red vertical arrows?!). I'm beginning to really regret not having placed a higher bid - but as I was just in it for the keyboard part, I guess I was being reasonable rather than stingy...
Posted: 28 Jul 2018, 22:04
by mike52787
Keybug wrote: Just missed
this strange beast ("vintage PC in a keyboard") - my bid came in second.
Possible blue ALPS? It also has
weird colours on some keys (e.g. green tab and enter legends, blue horizontal and red vertical arrows?!). I'm beginning to really regret not having placed a higher bid - but as I was just in it for the keyboard part, I guess I was being reasonable rather than stingy...
Those should be white alps or clones
Posted: 28 Jul 2018, 22:22
by Keybug
Thanks. Can you explain why blues can be ruled out? Year of production?
Posted: 28 Jul 2018, 23:00
by Chyros
Keybug wrote: Just missed
this strange beast ("vintage PC in a keyboard") - my bid came in second.
Possible blue ALPS? It also has
weird colours on some keys (e.g. green tab and enter legends, blue horizontal and red vertical arrows?!). I'm beginning to really regret not having placed a higher bid - but as I was just in it for the keyboard part, I guess I was being reasonable rather than stingy...
Those keycaps look like they're exactly the same as the ones on basically all Focus keyboards. Same layout, even. Focuses also used coloured modifiers, too.
Posted: 28 Jul 2018, 23:27
by //gainsborough
Keybug wrote: Thanks. Can you explain why blues can be ruled out? Year of production?
This is likely clones - there is another PC just like this that has a different brand that came with clones.
Posted: 28 Jul 2018, 23:50
by Polecat
Chyros wrote:
Those keycaps look like they're exactly the same as the ones on basically all Focus keyboards. Same layout, even. Focuses also used coloured modifiers, too.
Lots of keyboards used the colored modifiers back in the day. They corresponded to the menu layers in applications such as Word Perfect and Lotus 123. That was before Windows and mouse-based menus, so everything ran on keyboard commands.
Posted: 29 Jul 2018, 12:07
by Keybug
Interesting! I can only recall pre-Windows MS-Word with its escape-driven menu on my amber monochrome screen. But it does make sense that there should have been colour-coding on CGA / EGA / etc. systems. I hadn't realized the connection between software and the modifier colours, though.
Posted: 30 Jul 2018, 02:27
by Elrick
Chyros wrote: Tbh that's assuming they DO come with Scorpius dome with slider.
Think I've found a keyboard here with that word;
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/QTRONIX-SCO ... Desc=1%7C1
Not saying it is what you are referring to but I thought it has a nice key layout similar to the Cherry 1800 series.
Also spotted this as well;
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Vintage-MEC ... Desc=1%7C1
And this Nan Tan, if anyone wants to harvest some White Alps for their custom Keyboards;
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Nan-Tan-KB- ... Desc=1%7C1
Posted: 30 Jul 2018, 04:32
by Polecat
Keybug wrote: Interesting! I can only recall pre-Windows MS-Word with its escape-driven menu on my amber monochrome screen. But it does make sense that there should have been colour-coding on CGA / EGA / etc. systems. I hadn't realized the connection between software and the modifier colours, though.
In CP/M and early DOS days Wordstar was the word processor of choice, and most commands were based on the Control key, which lived to the left of "A". For instance word-left, character-left, character right, and word-right used Ctrl-A, Ctrl-S, Ctrl-D, and Ctrl-F, respectively, which most folks could easily do with their left hand. (Those commands still work on many Linux WPs like StarOffice...and they started with Wordstar!) But after a couple bad version upgrades Wordstar lost most of their market to WordPerfect, which used Ctrl (red), Alt (blue), and Shift (green), followed by one or more keystrokes, to execute commands, and keyboard makers used the colored modifiers along with overlays to make it easier to follow the menus. Sometimes stickers with colored dots were put on the keycaps for the same reason, and I'm sure more than a few of us have had the joy of trying to remove those. When extended-layout keyboards came out most had the Ctrl key at the bottom left, and CapsLock next to A, which alienated diehard Wordstar users like myself, and created a niche market for switchable aftermarket keyboards (with the extra keycaps to match) like Focus and Northgate. MS Word didn't really become popular until Windows 3.0/3.1 came out, which of course was mouse-based. The progression with spreadsheet and database programs was similar, again using the colored modifiers and overlays for a while before Windows and mouse-based menus became the norm. I'm showing my age here, but of course if I was *really* old I wouldn't remember any of this at all.
Posted: 30 Jul 2018, 05:25
by TheInverseKey
The Scorpius 305 come with the following switches:
Posted: 30 Jul 2018, 19:09
by Muirium
Tasty. Can't say I understand their kits, however, as the silly buggers don't even show pictures.
I've got an ANSI TKL Realforce 87U and an ANSI HHKB Type-S. Guess I'd need base and HHKB kits to cover them both? But not the HHKB JP kit, fortunately, with its lengthy (new mold making) delay?
Posted: 30 Jul 2018, 19:11
by xxhellfirexx
NOS FANUC System P Model G keyboard with Omron B2R-M reed switches
https://www.ebay.com/itm/223080876046
Mohawk Data Sciences keyboard
https://picclick.com/OOAK-Vintage-Early ... 86063.html
Posted: 30 Jul 2018, 22:33
by Slom
Was about to post this
Might be Micro Switch magnetic reed:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/triplehaa ... 400411814/
Posted: 31 Jul 2018, 00:16
by Laser
Muirium wrote:
Tasty. Can't say I understand their kits, however, as the silly buggers don't even show pictures.
I've got an ANSI TKL Realforce 87U and an ANSI HHKB Type-S. Guess I'd need base and HHKB kits to cover them both? But not the HHKB JP kit, fortunately, with its lengthy (new mold making) delay?
Hi Mu
You're right from what I read (base and HHKB kits should be exactly enough) Actually, it seems for the RF87U you'd also need the MOD PRO KIT in addition to the BASE (although I have no idea why - I don't own such a kbd), and only the HHKB kit for the HHKB keyboard - but
of course you'd also want the Vim keys, and the spacebars kit, riiight?
... They do have pictures, but not sync'ed with the kit selection (just scroll down in the description).
Posted: 31 Jul 2018, 05:34
by zrrion
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Red-la ... 3380667341
Red badge zenith board. Badge looks cool and I haven't seen red before but the board looks to be in super rough shape so hopefully someone can talk the seller down in price and get it a good home.
Posted: 31 Jul 2018, 05:42
by Gnohio
Sadly the only thing it would be good for is a cap and badge donor based on the look of those switches.
Posted: 31 Jul 2018, 06:19
by //gainsborough
It looks like the type of red logo z-150s that I had:
f-o-r-s-a-l-e-f58/2x-zenith-inteq-red-l ... 17581.html
The problem with those boards is that you can't desolder the switches - they are literally "glued" in place with whatever that rust-resistant spray they put on the top after the switches were already installed. It still boggles my mind how anyone thought this was a good idea... Spray the plate BEFORE you solder in the switches.... like... c'mon...
Posted: 31 Jul 2018, 06:32
by xxhellfirexx
//gainsborough wrote:
It looks like the type of red logo z-150s that I had:
f-o-r-s-a-l-e-f58/2x-zenith-inteq-red-l ... 17581.html
The problem with those boards is that you can't desolder the switches - they are literally "glued" in place with whatever that rust-resistant spray they put on the top after the switches were already installed. It still boggles my mind how anyone thought this was a good idea... Spray the plate BEFORE you solder in the switches.... like... c'mon...
It's going to be a pain to replace the broken switch and the fact that it has rust even with the rust-resistant spray shows that it wasn't kept too well. Remember this was the guy selling a bunch of rusted blue Alps keyboards for high prices so it might have been stored in the same warehouse.
As for why the switches are glued with spray paint, remember these are TEMPEST keyboards meant to prevent tampering by spies.
Posted: 31 Jul 2018, 16:26
by j0d1
Very tempting:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/IBM-5251-Works ... 3176163727
Complete IBM 5251 computer. Will probably sell for 2k$+ though.
Posted: 31 Jul 2018, 16:39
by Myoth
but it's not a computer
Posted: 31 Jul 2018, 18:51
by TheMilkmen
Posted: 31 Jul 2018, 19:24
by xxhellfirexx
Posted: 31 Jul 2018, 20:01
by Muirium
Laser wrote: Muirium wrote:
Tasty. Can't say I understand their kits, however, as the silly buggers don't even show pictures.
I've got an ANSI TKL Realforce 87U and an ANSI HHKB Type-S. Guess I'd need base and HHKB kits to cover them both? But not the HHKB JP kit, fortunately, with its lengthy (new mold making) delay?
Hi Mu
You're right from what I read (base and HHKB kits should be exactly enough) Actually, it seems for the RF87U you'd also need the MOD PRO KIT in addition to the BASE (although I have no idea why - I don't own such a kbd), and only the HHKB kit for the HHKB keyboard - but
of course you'd also want the Vim keys, and the spacebars kit, riiight?
... They do have pictures, but not sync'ed with the kit selection (just scroll down in the description).
Thanks for the tip. What I still don’t understand is what’s in the BASE vs. the HHKB kit…
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Did they just miss out the header text? Or is all that HHKB stuff also in the BASE kit? I expect I’d need to buy both, but why is the HHKB set $49 when the whole BASE is just $69? I don’t need two whole sets of alphas (I’ll explain in a bit), but I do need those mods.
Who do I ask? Their comments system is all fucked up, by the look of it, with users posting on the wrong GBs. Anyway, don’t think I need the PRO MODs because the BASE has my TKL Realforce covered perfectly. I see that little RF87U text on PRO MODs but the only key I can think of that’s funny about the TKL vs full-size is the Num Lock, which isn’t even in that kit! Anyway, I’ve no plans to get a Leopold FC660c.
Now, about those alphas. Something I find compelling is the mono legend Japanese set, JP-2:
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That’s the one for me!
Posted: 01 Aug 2018, 00:21
by orihalcon
Posted: 01 Aug 2018, 01:25
by Laser
Muirium wrote:
Thanks for the tip. What I still don’t understand is what’s in the BASE vs. the HHKB kit…
IMG_0169.GIF
Did they just miss out the header text? Or is all that HHKB stuff also in the BASE kit? I expect I’d need to buy both, but why is the HHKB set $49 when the whole BASE is just $69? I don’t need two whole sets of alphas (I’ll explain in a bit), but I do need those mods.
From what I understood, the HHKB kit is for those who want to cover *just* a HHKB keyboard, and don't need any other key. At that price, it has to include the alphanumeric keys, it won't make sense otherwise (49$ vs. the 16$ for the HHKB JP keys). And the BASE being "just" 69$, well, it could be because they made more of those kits, so it came cheaper per unit? I agree maybe we should hunt for the groupbuy details somewhere else, if there is such a place. Or, send an email to kbdfans directly? Actually, they have a chat system, connected to FB messenger - that could be used alright.
EDIT: after a little chat, the page was updated:
The JP alphanumerics are pretty nice, but my heart is sold to Hangul
(I did some Taekwondo a long time ago, so having Korean keys would be a nice memory). So I'm pretty happy that I managed to recently buy from US a FC660M with doubleshot PBT in the blue-grey combo, with English and Hangul lettering
Of course I'll be happier when I'll actually have the keyboard in my hands.
