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Gotta love France! Fanny used to be popular in England too, until it was too popular the other way…

blighty wrote: No more new kits/additions please. We want our caps by summer 2014.

Actually, I'm just talking about swapping a duplicate cap for another row's version, so it's zero sum really. Would make those symbolic arrow kits hardcore must haves for me.

The Apple ISO stuff, well, yes, you're right it's a stretch.

Muirium wrote:...
I have spotted a potential duplicate, by the way 7bit. Row 2 is identical to row 4 rotated 180º right?

No need for the lonely row 2 arrow in this kit, as one of the row 4s can be turned to make it. Now that I've saved you all those caps, a little Apple ISO love?
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There is a reason for this key!

To have row 2 in the bottom row and row 4 for the up key, you need those 2 row 4 left and right triangles, plus the extra key on top of the graphic, plus the row 4 up key.

Vierax wrote:

Muirium wrote:(We prefer the ones you took with BOOBS…)

Another vote for the artful disguise: CAT, KITTY, TAIL, FUR, PAWS & PUSSY "feline kit"! The cutest kit of them all.

a BEAVER key to stay in the animal terms. The DICK and FANNY keys should please all people with those first name (Fanny is a common girl's name in France… crazy country )

I don't know any other use of FANNY than as a woman's name. Was quite in fashion in the 1880s, or so.


DICK TRACY, FANNY HILL, can't see here any relation to BOOBS and PUSSY, sorry.



Fanny Hill and Dick William Tracy together in Fanny's bed-room.

So how long do I have to either cancel or pay?? Is 12/29/13 still valid??

Guys...when sending the payment, please actually follow the instructions and include the identifying text clearly pointed to in the invoice. I'm looking at you, romany.

7bit wrote: There is a reason for this key!

To have row 2 in the bottom row and row 4 for the up key, you need those 2 row 4 left and right triangles, plus the extra key on top of the graphic, plus the row 4 up key.

I don't get it. Assuming the legends are all centred correctly, row 4 triangle caps == row 2 triangle caps. You've got 5 of the same thing in that kit, for 4 arrow keys!

Muirium wrote:

7bit wrote: There is a reason for this key!

To have row 2 in the bottom row and row 4 for the up key, you need those 2 row 4 left and right triangles, plus the extra key on top of the graphic, plus the row 4 up key.

I don't get it. Assuming the legends are all centred correctly, row 4 triangle caps == row 2 triangle caps. You've got 5 of the same thing in that kit, for 4 arrow keys!

But the slope on the sideways keys would be in the wrong direction if used as up or down?

Right. But the "spare" key is an up/down arrow. I could just be a bit thick and misunderstanding 7bit, though.

The purpose of the spare R2 key is so that you can have an arrow cluster going :
I don't think you can do that without the extra R2 down arrow.

Switching the left & right R4 makes them R2, but if you want UP to be r4 then you need to keep it where it is, therefore you need an extra R2 down.

If R2 UP == R4 DOWN, then there is a superfluous cap. If they are not equal, then I don't know what's going on!

You get (expressed in row 2-terms):
row 2: left:1
row 2: right: 1
row 2: up: 1
row 2: down: 2
row 3: 4 (all the same)

Now, if you want to put the cursor keys on, the way I did, you need:
left, right, down and a 2nd down (which is turned around to be row 4 up)
q.e.d.

7bit and Kouni are right. If you want to do what Kouni shows in his little ASCII graphic, you need two of the same keys for up and down.

The two red keys are the same, the blue one is different (arrow points in the other direction).

Right, your diagram finally got it through to me. Thanks Halvar.

So, am I any good with this kit to do the opposite: Row 2 UP and Row 4 LEFT, DOWN and RIGHT? I don't trust my dodgy instincts now! Maybe I'm hosed after all…

7bit wrote:

Vierax wrote:

Muirium wrote:(We prefer the ones you took with BOOBS…)

Another vote for the artful disguise: CAT, KITTY, TAIL, FUR, PAWS & PUSSY "feline kit"! The cutest kit of them all.

a BEAVER key to stay in the animal terms. The DICK and FANNY keys should please all people with those first name (Fanny is a common girl's name in France… crazy country )

I don't know any other use of FANNY than as a woman's name. Was quite in fashion in the 1880s, or so.


DICK TRACY, FANNY HILL, can't see here any relation to BOOBS and PUSSY, sorry.

OK. But any news on CAT?

(What I won't ask for, though I'd love it: BOOBS changed to BOOBIES and the addition of "RED", "BLUE" and "FOOTED" so I could have RED FOOTED BOOBIES on one side and BLUE FOOTED BOOBIES on the other. I still have fond memories of the Galapagos.)

Muirium wrote:Right, your diagram finally got it through to me. Thanks Halvar.

So, am I any good with this kit to do the opposite: Row 2 UP and Row 4 LEFT, DOWN and RIGHT? I don't trust my dodgy instincts now! Maybe I'm hosed after all…

Thanks for bringing this up!
Looking again I'm sure that none of the cursor kits include all the keys to make R2 UP and R4 LEFT, DOWN and RIGHT.
To do this you'd need to buy two sets to get two of the R4 DOWN key, one to be the R4 DOWN and the other the R2 up.


The nav block on this is intended to be rows 1,2,3,4,3 like the alphanumeric block. For row 4 the (page) DOWN is in CURSORS and the even the END is ok in FUNCTION/R4 and 7BITA, but the up and down arrows require two cursor kits, the most efficient being two CURSOR/R4, if you can call buying 16 keys to get 4 efficient when cursor kits are available.

Still deciding on the 2u verticals...

Few questions, I've received a notice that I've got 10,01 euros in my account, can I use this on the cherrymx switch buy? (If not, how do I ask for that 10,01 euros to be refunded? If I choose not to spend it on other caps, that is )

Last question: will there be a arrow kit with the same row configuration as the triangle kit presented above?

Pity about the arrows. Because I've got just enough caps from Round 4 SPH to have row 2 UP / row 4 DOWN arrows and they are definitely my favourite combination. Row 3 is safe but flat. The opposite, row 4 UP / row 2 DOWN doesn't feel great at all. Guess I'm after a concave arrow cluster, not convex.

7bit wrote:

metalliqaz wrote:When will refunds be sent?

When prices are fixed.

Cool, so that's now, right?

All paid up!

And something something boobs?

No, prices might go down again. That's why I ask for 50% payment.

facetsesame wrote:...Still deciding on the 2u verticals...

That's a G80-8200, right? So you need an 1U Num+ and a regular 2U NumEnter. Regular as in "1switch mount + 2 stabs mount". I'm not into this GB but I guess all the POS keys have the mount for POS matrizes as in "1Switch mount per 1U". Guess is, regular vertical 2U keys are your only way to go.

to all you guys demanding HONEY/BOOBS and HONEY/PUSSY:
Stop pushing so hard for the kits, as your little MY stem won't fit HONEYwell anyway. (scnr)

Yeah, you don't want to see what a mess these guys can make out of sweet little Cherry stems…

7bit wrote:No, prices might go down again. That's why I ask for 50% payment.

Oh right.....okay - then it's 50% on this coming Wednesday 25th 2013 (my payday...sorry) and then you want the rest by the 29th ?

Payday on the 25th! LOL!


What are you doing if Santa does not come?


Nevertheless, you can pay everyting a little later.

Scrooge is giving you a pretty tight Christmas shopping season isn't he, Elrick!

7bit wrote:Payday on the 25th! LOL!

Thank you for that.....it makes the whole payment a lot more easier. Easily can hand over half on the date .

7bit wrote: Nevertheless, you can pay everyting a little later.

You're much to generous, but yes - everything shall be paid off, I have no intention of prolonging this payment schedule.

Looks like you gave me an early Xmas present .

Muirium wrote:Pity about the arrows. Because I've got just enough caps from Round 4 SPH to have row 2 UP / row 4 DOWN arrows and they are definitely my favourite combination. Row 3 is safe but flat. The opposite, row 4 UP / row 2 DOWN doesn't feel great at all. Guess I'm after a concave arrow cluster, not convex.

Looking at the poll topic, row 2 UP as an option was much more popular than row 4 UP with row 2 everything else.

kvad's great post was clear about this:

kvad wrote:So my clear recommendation would be option 7 (UP row 2, LEFT, RIGHT row 3, DOWN row 4).

Also:

kvad wrote:Option 5 was truly horrible.

This is row 4 UP and row 2 DOWN ;D

Someone then stepped in to explain all:

7bit wrote:Option 5, that is what I use. It is the best because I use the thumb for LEFT DOWN RIGHT.

Ok, I get how this works with the thumb like this - the difference in the heights becomes an advantage. Hm, if you keep a digit over UP while moving left then right, does this technique make you good at wiggling your thumb?

kint wrote:

facetsesame wrote:...Still deciding on the 2u verticals...

That's a G80-8200, right? So you need an 1U Num+ and a regular 2U NumEnter. Regular as in "1switch mount + 2 stabs mount". I'm not into this GB but I guess all the POS keys have the mount for POS matrizes as in "1Switch mount per 1U". Guess is, regular vertical 2U keys are your only way to go.

Thanks for that! So I'll use a normal Enter, then if I do want a 2u + I'll need a POS key and to disable one of the switches. I just can't decide if I want to do that or go with 1u for the rest - for me the lack of a 2u + is the most annoying thing about 122 layouts.

I'm looking into thetriangle arrow issue ...

facetsesame wrote:...
Thanks for that! So I'll use a normal Enter, then if I do want a 2u + I'll need a POS key and to disable one of the switches. I just can't decide if I want to do that or go with 1u for the rest - for me the lack of a 2u + is the most annoying thing about 122 layouts.

U mad???


I'd like them to be 1 units all of them. With the 1 unit + key you get an extra key which I use for &.