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i think IT, PT, ES in a same group.
CH, DE as a group.
and nordic (Danish, swedish, finnish, swedish) as an other group

German layout is about as different from Swedish as Swedish is from Norwegian. And Swiss (CH right?) is a lot different from German.

I think the best option would be to put all European layouts together in a single order (at least those that are represented here on DT).
This way the cost per set would be higher, but this could be compensated by orders being much bigger and thus cheaper.
I find this option deserves to be at least calculated (of course once quotes are available) before it be rejected.

I notice French layout has not even been mentioned yet

Of course it would all depend on pricing, and MOQs.

Statistics from R3... Where NORDIC included DE, FI, NO, SE, AT, DK, SI.

UK stands out for two reasons: most orders, and least keys!!

Even all language kits together was only just over a quarter of the number of standard (US) kits, and is a total of about 100 keys (although a few would be shared, notably the ISO shift and Enter).

Wow just wow!

Really, you'd need to structure everything as the following, I'd think:

Base kit (any key that is not changed between any of the layouts)
US ANSI kit (Enter, left Shift, and US-specific keys)
ISO base (Enter, left shift)
Various country layouts

bhtooefr wrote:Really, you'd need to structure everything as the following, I'd think:

Base kit (any key that is not changed between any of the layouts)
US ANSI kit (Enter, left Shift, and US-specific keys)
ISO base (Enter, left shift)
Various country layouts

I don't see the point in dividing them that much. For instance, close to everyone who will order the "various country layouts" will be ordering "ISO base" as well, so why separate them?

Get the costs in for everything combined, socialise the cost, it's a community here. I don't mind paying €20 more for the set if it means everyone gets a full set regardless of which country they are from. You'll get some whiners sure but only because they are tight fisted fuckers

Sure there is a few ways to go about it. I just want to keep as few set options as possible while include as much as possible. Some language grouping I use as example may not be the most appropriate, it will be considered for most efficiancy and lowest cost per set. Some language may be neglected for initial round. A lot depend on interest levels and cost concern. Some things may end up not being feasible depend on how GMK does pricing, so it's still all theoretical for now until we know those aspects.
All I can say for sure is I want to try our best to include a lot of things that usually are not, and give at least a chance to get in some sets that are very hard or impossible to find in various language.

dirge wrote:Get the costs in for everything combined, socialise the cost, it's a community here. I don't mind paying €20 more for the set if it means everyone gets a full set regardless of which country they are from. You'll get some whiners sure but only because they are tight fisted fuckers

do it!

Buy an equal amount of each language, mix them all up in a bowl and each person will get a set worth of random key caps and they can hope for the best.

No, just wait until I take over!

In my group buy you will be able to get any legend Cherry has ever produced on any color and any shape!

I would've agreed with dirge until I added it up and realised that it would mean about 100 extra keys - if they were included in every set then it would almost double the price!

Perhaps that number can be reduced a bit by skipping some of the third symbols on some keys, allowing more to be shared. Or by adding a fourth, to cover all bases! The extra ISO key by left shift could be marked as either < and >, or also with \ and |. But I still can't see the total reducing by much.

FI and ES share a few keys. FR doesn't share anything with anyone

Sure 7bit, and it will become a 3 year long epic.
I think it would be nicer to do smaller buy more often on a quarterly schedule or similar. Each new buy can focus on some different colors and language options until they are all covered. But that's like only my opinion.
Also while some may frown upon it, some things could simply be pad print on other key if it is more cost effective than the unique doubleshot version.

Soarer wrote:FR doesn't share anything with anyone

It shares Z with German and > < with Norwegian.

rodtang wrote:

Soarer wrote:FR doesn't share anything with anyone

It shares Z with German and > < with Norwegian.

OK, OK! Still has about 27 unique keys, thanks to the inverted number row.

FR share a lot with BE
If we did away with the shifted legends on the number row on all set it would reduce many issue. Also it looks very nice and much more uniform. I am sure not many would want to go along with that however.

I gathered that! I was going by: FR (French / Belgian layout)

I suspect you're right, and not many would accept that. Nor would I, probably, if I had 2 symbols to remember for most number keys!

That '€' looks so wrong!!!

lysol wrote:Sure 7bit, and it will become a 3 year long epic.
I think it would be nicer to do smaller buy more often on a quarterly schedule or similar. Each new buy can focus on some different colors and language options until they are all covered. But that's like only my opinion.
Also while some may frown upon it, some things could simply be pad print on other key if it is more cost effective than the unique doubleshot version.

yes, but in the end everybody will spend $3000 and gets all Cherry key cpas in all available colors with all thinkable legends in each row and size!

7bit wrote:

lysol wrote:Sure 7bit, and it will become a 3 year long epic.
I think it would be nicer to do smaller buy more often on a quarterly schedule or similar. Each new buy can focus on some different colors and language options until they are all covered. But that's like only my opinion.
Also while some may frown upon it, some things could simply be pad print on other key if it is more cost effective than the unique doubleshot version.

yes, but in the end everybody will spend $3000 and gets all Cherry key cpas in all available colors with all thinkable legends in each row and size!

I might do it, if someone provided boards to house them all for free to me ;D

Ekaros wrote:I might do it, if someone provided boards to house them all for free to me ;D

Ascaii!!!!! Get your G81 out of your cellar!!!!

7bit wrote:

Ekaros wrote:I might do it, if someone provided boards to house them all for free to me ;D

Ascaii!!!!! Get your G81 out of your cellar!!!!

NO! Theyre mine.

So has Dan asked whether they do custom tooling for caps we'd like made?

Actually do we have a list of Questions and Answers and could it be posted somewhere everyone can see to stop Dan repeating himself and distributing that knowledge:)

I'll be making a new thread once I get some more answers myself it'll have an faq area

DanGWanG wrote:I'll be making a new thread once I get some more answers myself it'll have an faq area

Perfect mate, just make sure they have the tooling to make a cannabis leaf cap like your profile pic.

Wow, double shots with clear legends! Now if the could also make clear FN-legends on the side it would be perfect to replace Pure keys
OK, will most likely not happen but does anyone know if this is possible in theory? I don't really know how exactly double shots are made.

lysol wrote:RGB set shift ctrl alt with both 1.5 and 1.25 in ansi and iso

1.5 RGB Set

This is awesome!!

First new production GMK Cherry doubleshots available at EK. Go grab yourself a red esc key that used to be among the rarest Cherry doubleshots selling at auctions just a few weeks ago for $250 for only $5. LOL

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