deskthority

Thank you for asking rodtang.

Waiting for their response

rodtang wrote:

keycap EU3.jpg

These! All European ISO layouts on the same set. One set to rule them all!
Someone should point them.towards the current group buy volume and see if they want in on our money.

They don't do ISO enter...

Dafuq? Why would the be making EU set then claim no ISO, and they told me they had ISO enter before... and why the ugly font, they must think you are Vortex.
They seem like they just want to jerk people around and not make money.

Imsto has sold a couple sets with that font.

Custom molds start as 5000€ I requested a quote for ISO enter.
I also asked for a quote on a 101 set as anything more advanced seems to be too hard for their tiny Danish brains to handle.
I also asked for pictures of the fonts they offer since if they only offer that and not Cherry font there is no reason to care about them at all...

"are you open for other printing methods than dye sublimation with same durability?"
I really doubt they offer anything with the same durability...

Shame on them, and shame for us. I digged the idea of the multi-language, multi-color set. Maybe we could copy that design and have it made by the manufacturer that supplied this GB? (Is it SP? I don't know)
http://deskthority.net/marketplace-f11/ ... t2718.html

No those set I had from my groupbuy were from some Chinese factory, I don't actually know what one though as imsto arranged all the production end. We can certainly do something identical to the multi set there. Might take some additional negotiation for the side printing. They seemed reluctant last time which is why the pause/break and print/sys rq are all top. Maybe if more keys are being done side print they will be more willing.

In any case though I still call bullshit on the ISO enter as there is clearly ISO enter in the multi language set photo.

There might exist a technical limitation in dye-subbing the front of a keycap. I remember I had a Olivetti blue on white set: keycaps were dye-subbed on top and pad printed on front. On the other hand, IBM keycaps seem to be dye subbed on the front too.

Well, by the pictures he sent he didn't mark ISO left shift as a key they made but the PDF with all the keys he sent claims otherwise.

Why do all keycap makers since cherry have bad taste in fonts?...

lysol your name's confusing me! its like prinsvalium all over again!

lysol ИванИванович
Plenty keycap in the 80's had terrible ugly font too.

I know but they were on better switches. Easier to forgive.

I don't know I quite like that font. Not everything has to look like a bubbly Cherry one.

[)amien

I miss Ripster's rants about fonts!

The Helvetica talk gets boring now and then
Though you have to admit its the best Font out there (besides Bubbly Sans!)

I will be getting quotes on ISO enter, 1.75 Shift, center stem caps lock and a 101 (so we will have some idea where the prices will be) set on Monday (their managing director is on holiday 'till then.)

They do offer the original cherry font.

I don't think I've mentioned this but they don't offer space bars.

Are they SURE they don't have spacebar? Like they were sure they did not ISO enter. They have spacebar in the full sets... Even if they really don't I guess ABS spacebar could always be order from GMK.

He didn't mark space bar green in any of the pictures where he marked the keys they could make and there is no mention of any space bar in the PDF he sent me. (I didn't ask him though , should probably do that shouldn't I?)

(I'm pretty sure I am an idiot so they do probably offer space bars)

One thing I have learned when asking about things to manufacturer, is you have to ask about every specific detail possible or you won't get the right answer.
It is possible they don't do spacebar PBT as only a few places do. It has the highest defect rate do it's large size more likely to have of warping, shrink and so on.

Well, I sent him another email so I should have an answer tomorrow.

Grond wrote:I miss Ripster

It's okay, we can fix you.

They do indeed not offer space bars.

I waaaaant

I am going to pay these guys a visit soon !
Maybe my little Danish brain can make their small Danish brains get the Goddamn point ?
(Point being : We spend A LOT on key-caps !!!)
Or maybe they would rather have the Germans take all our money ??
Somehow, I think NOT !

Bad news, they offer pretty much nothing but ANSI without spacebar.

"Reason being that the company where we sourced PBT Cherry keycaps that was not often ordered went out of business."

400 ANSI winkeyless spacebarless sets will be 56€ each

even in europe there's no iso love.

You got a much better qoute than they gave to me. But still it's about the same price as Chinese production but I can get a lower moq there for most things except some color PBT since it's custom order color.
Though they do have 2 things, 1.5 modifier and they already have all possible charachter in Cherry font presumably. Not sure why they can't order ISO enter from Cherry/whoever makes keycap for Cherry. I mean obviously there is still somewhere making ISO enter in Cherry profile... though I have had little luck finding them out. While not ideal ABS ISO enter and spacebar could get sourced from GMK.

rodtang wrote:Bad news, they offer pretty much nothing but ANSI without spacebar.

"Reason being that the company where we sourced PBT Cherry keycaps that was not often ordered went out of business."

I'm DANISH, OK ??
And that reply from BSP makes absolutely NO SENSE, unless you feel a need to ..
Shit out BULLSHIT !!

I have seen ISO-keyboards from these guys in Kastrup Airport ..
For some reason .. Our money isn't good enough for them !!

Like my English friend, living in Denmark, puts it :
"This is DENMARK !! ..
If you want service - GO SOMEWHERE ELSE !!! "

IF You will allow me to quote from their website :

And last but not least, the size of your order makes no difference. We can just as easily supply 10,000 sets of keycaps for a fast language conversion as deliver a special solution with custom keys for six keyboards in an air control tower.

Like I said : I'm from Denmark !
Deliver on your promise or the Forbruger-Ombudsmand gets a open-and-shut case !!

IvanIvanovich wrote:You got a much better qoute than they gave to me. But still it's about the same price as Chinese production but I can get a lower moq there for most things except some color PBT since it's custom order color.
Though they do have 2 things, 1.5 modifier and they already have all possible charachter in Cherry font presumably. Not sure why they can't order ISO enter from Cherry/whoever makes keycap for Cherry. I mean obviously there is still somewhere making ISO enter in Cherry profile... though I have had little luck finding them out. While not ideal ABS ISO enter and spacebar could get sourced from GMK.

That "MOQ" of 400 was just a number I came up with, I never asked if they even had a MOQ

I asked/told them that they should be able to source them from Cherry directly. I also tried to convince them that making 5 molds for us which we would pay for would be worth it and cause us to buy more keycaps in the future.