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derp

To chime in, i think another angle of approaching the difference is: if a person is searching for that particular piece of complex, hard-to-listen music that touches a part of his/her individuality, or if it stays "at the surface" by listening music which is easy for everybody's ears. The same piece of music can fulfill any of that roles, for different persons. So it's always when you consider the couple person-music piece that you know which is the case. But usually, when somebody gives you some links to listen to, you can compare them between themselves and with what you know about that person, to form yourself an opinion - do they have something in common, or are they all "at the surface".

Complex music isn't always better music - you don't have to like progressive rock (compare to ruminations in thinking).

Muirium wrote: Nice picks, Photekq. I'll check out his stuff. You've got a sense of some of what I like. Complex rhythm, Eastern sounds, and lots of moving pieces.

I'd recommend that you listen to his Sounds of Istanbul mixes (1&2). They're really something.

davkol wrote: The problem isn't "what is good", but rather "what is music" in the first place. Like the definition that say music is socially defined, i.e. anything anyone considers music is music. The problem is that any kind of noise is probably music then (ugh), hip hop is music (ugh), grind is music (ugh), rap is music (ugh) or most electronic music is... music (ugh).

That's not music. That's rhyming to rhythm. There is one tiny bit of insanely repetitive simplistic music in the background, but those damn rappers keep talking over it.

sth wrote:

I counted 10 uses of 'nigga' within the first minute of that song. The people who say hip-hop is dying are right

The Nicki Minaj one managed to outdo it though. 11 within the first minute, and 8 within the space of 11 seconds! (0:14-0:25)

RAP is Rhythm And Poetry - some consider rhythms music, some consider poetry music, hut you cannot say something is not music just because you dislike it. Even if 90% of people think it is garbage, if one person considers it music, it is music.

But it pisses me off when all these rappers say the n word 10 times a minute and then get arsey when some white dude says it. Although the world is getting more progressive, one of my black friends in america insisted I call him 'my nigger' lol

Exactly. Music to my ears…

derp

What is art? This was more topical a century ago…

That's the problem with modern music "artists" - they don't need talent to make music. Even a loud-mouthed American news presenter can make a hit song:
Just think of all those poor bastards out there who spent 15-20 years mastering their musical instruments - and they're not nearly as popular as a news guy shouting "Fuck it!"

This guy sums it up pretty well, imo:

DerpyDash_xAD wrote: RAP is Rhythm And Poetry

GZA comes to mind

Muirium wrote: Exactly. Music to my ears…

Well,it starts looking like GH ...

Laser wrote: Well,it starts looking like GH ...

Even a Crimean prosecutor giving a speech is more interesting to listen to:

mr_a500 wrote: Even a Crimean prosecutor giving a speech is more interesting to listen to:

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And I thought I was creepy — I don't know how she would react to seeing that video.

OK, WTF … the cartoon likenesses even made it to her Wikipedia page:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natalia_Poklonskaya

(Yes I got her name solely from the on-screen text in the video.)

sth wrote:

"Fucking thing sucks! There's no words there!"

Sounds like a chainsaw massacre.

A chainsaw massacre would be more pleasant. At least you'd hear the chainsaw.

dont mind the cover

Daniel Beardsmore wrote: Sounds like a chainsaw massacre.

This is just a regular Massacre

Too many massacres and fuckings on this page. Time to bring out the Bach:

Come on, you listened to something edgy and manic in your young days too. King Crimson perhaps? Or am I thinking too recent?

SL89 wrote:

dont mind the cover

I quite like the cover art, but the music reminds me of headaches more than the good stuff! They're doing it wrong.

Muirium wrote: Come on, you listened to something edgy and manic in your young days too. King Crimson perhaps? Or am I thinking too recent?

Beatles and The Doors were about as edgy as I got.

mr_a500 wrote:

Muirium wrote: Come on, you listened to something edgy and manic in your young days too. King Crimson perhaps? Or am I thinking too recent?

Beatles and The Doors were about as edgy as I got.

I'll always stand up for The Doors. They were The Smiths of their generation. And more my style, besides.

Two, to me equally relaxing tracks
The first one is the Radio Edit, I prefer the full 7:30 version but I couldn't find it on yt or soundcloud. EDIT: Oh this video fascinates me over and over again