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Posted: 12 Jan 2017, 14:46
by alh84001
Yes, arguably even more usable, as its layout is just an expanded model M layout. Originally it only comes with ISO, but it can be ANSI-modded. You also need a Soarer's converter, as regular PS/2->USB active converters won't work. Probably. Or, if you're feeling adventureous and want to go without converter to a machine with PS/2 port, you can do a controller chip swap -> http://www.seasip.info/VintagePC/ibm_6110344_cswap.html . I don't know if it works with other F122 model numbers.

Posted: 12 Jan 2017, 14:48
by seebart
alh84001 wrote: Yes, arguably even more usable, as its layout is just an expanded model M layout. Originally it only comes with ISO, but it can be ANSI-modded. You also need a Soarer's converter, as regular PS/2->USB active converters won't work. Probably. Or, if you're feeling adventureous and want to go without converter to a machine with PS/2 port, you can do a controller chip swap -> http://www.seasip.info/VintagePC/ibm_6110344_cswap.html . I don't know if it works with other F122 model numbers.
Absolutely. The possiblities are ample. We have a lot of great threads in our workshop section.

Posted: 12 Jan 2017, 15:35
by Chyros
Mr.Nobody wrote:
the more favoured 122s, unsavers and 4074s have 'normal' space bars but use a thinner wire than M.
Is F122 useable like AT is on a modern pc?
You need a special converter; it uses a different plug and protocol. Orihalcon sells them - they're very expensive, but really good.

Posted: 12 Jan 2017, 20:53
by alh84001
If you already have a PS/2 Soarer's converter you can just make a passive adapter from the 270deg DIN to either a 180deg DIN or to a PS/2 mini-DIN for a couple of bucks and some soldering. That's how I drive mine.

Posted: 13 Jan 2017, 03:10
by Mr.Nobody
Chyros wrote:
Mr.Nobody wrote:
the more favoured 122s, unsavers and 4074s have 'normal' space bars but use a thinner wire than M.
Is F122 useable like AT is on a modern pc?
You need a special converter; it uses a different plug and protocol. Orihalcon sells them - they're very expensive, but really good.
Hope one day DT geeks could devise a box with all kinds of input ports and one simple USB output, so we could plug and play all sorts of IBM keyboards no matter it's a terminal xxxpin plug or RJ45 or whatsoever, of course this might be a layman's whim, I have no idea what it involves technically to design a box like that...

Posted: 13 Jan 2017, 03:28
by fohat

Posted: 13 Jan 2017, 08:05
by Mr.Nobody
fohat wrote: I have built a couple of these:

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=58 ... msg1348717
That's cool I am looking forward an all-in-one box from you...

Posted: 13 Jan 2017, 13:57
by fohat
Mr.Nobody wrote:
I am looking forward an all-in-one box from you ....
You will be waiting for quite a while. Those things are a nuisance to build, but nice to have.

I traded that blue and white one shown in the guide to Cindy for a keyboard.

Posted: 13 Jan 2017, 14:43
by Mr.Nobody
fohat wrote:
Mr.Nobody wrote:
I am looking forward an all-in-one box from you ....
You will be waiting for quite a while. Those things are a nuisance to build, but nice to have.

I traded that blue and white one shown in the guide to Cindy for a keyboard.
I will wait, one day all vintage IBM keyboards will be resurrected by your magic box...

Posted: 14 Jan 2017, 12:19
by Lynx_Carpathica
Mr.Nobody wrote:
the more favoured 122s, unsavers and 4074s have 'normal' space bars but use a thinner wire than M.
Is F122 useable like AT is on a modern pc?
Yes, it's actually more looked-after than the MFXT or AT because of that

Posted: 14 Jan 2017, 16:16
by fohat
Lynx_Carpathica wrote:
Mr.Nobody wrote:
Is F122 useable like AT is on a modern pc?
Yes, it's actually more looked-after than the MFXT or AT because of that
I think that the answer is "no" because the question is whether the 122-key terminals are PS/2 plug-and-play compatible.

As far as whether the configuration can be modified, then the answer is "yes"

workshop-f7/ibm-model-f-122-key-termina ... rry%20ansi

Posted: 15 Jan 2017, 05:17
by Mr.Nobody
fohat wrote:
Lynx_Carpathica wrote:
Mr.Nobody wrote:
Is F122 useable like AT is on a modern pc?
Yes, it's actually more looked-after than the MFXT or AT because of that
I think that the answer is "no" because the question is whether the 122-key terminals are PS/2 plug-and-play compatible.

As far as whether the configuration can be modified, then the answer is "yes"

workshop-f7/ibm-model-f-122-key-termina ... rry%20ansi
Thanks fohat, all threads in that link bookmarked.

Posted: 15 Jan 2017, 17:09
by Lynx_Carpathica
fohat wrote:
Lynx_Carpathica wrote:
Mr.Nobody wrote:
Is F122 useable like AT is on a modern pc?
Yes, it's actually more looked-after than the MFXT or AT because of that
I think that the answer is "no" because the question is whether the 122-key terminals are PS/2 plug-and-play compatible.

As far as whether the configuration can be modified, then the answer is "yes"

workshop-f7/ibm-model-f-122-key-termina ... rry%20ansi

ohh right... the terminal plug.

Posted: 15 Jan 2017, 23:15
by micrex22
fohat wrote: I think that the answer is "no" because the question is whether the 122-key terminals are PS/2 plug-and-play compatible.
The 6110344 can have its firmware modded for better PS/2 support:
http://www.seasip.info/VintagePC/ibm_6110344_cswap.html

They are pseudo PC compatible since the 6110344 was used with the IBM 3270 PC. That's what the baby blue legends were for. I don't have any experience with the real terminal F 122s so, I can't comment there.