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Posted: 16 Aug 2016, 21:35
by lot_lizard
Thanks everyone for voting... this is exactly what I wanted to see for the number discrepancies (was too close before). Green it is!!! To andrewjoy's point, we will shop around, and at our potential volume, can afford to be a little picky. Will try to request some samples.

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Re: (Model MF) Remodeling the Model M
Posted: 16 Aug 2016, 22:38
by Techno Trousers
lot_lizard wrote: It is three extra barrels that we will just cap (so an impact to the bottom line of about 12 cents). I don't want to impact the schedule with PCB changes though (unless someone wants to take that). The plates are the expensive part about all of this.
I like this idea. What would the cap material be made of, and will it stand the test of time? I suspect 90+% of us will just leave those caps in place indefinitely. I do have one Code key, but I don't necessarily want one of my daily driver keyboards to be configured that way and another not (work/home). I get layout confusion when that happens. Years ago I had a nice white Alps board at home (big-ass enter) and an ANSI RD at work. I was working in DOS at the time (dating myself), and the changing position of the backslash drove me bonkers. I can just imagine how annoying it would be if I had a left spacebar mapped to backspace (NMB style) on just one keyboard.
Posted: 16 Aug 2016, 22:58
by fohat
Techno Trousers wrote:
I can just imagine how annoying it would be if I had a left spacebar mapped to backspace (NMB style) on just one keyboard.
Since the bottom row will also support Unicomp 103-style Windows keys, I will not feel any particular need for more keys down there. But I may build the 2.75+2.75+1.5 and map them all 3 to space bar anyway, just because I can.
Posted: 16 Aug 2016, 23:11
by lot_lizard
fohat wrote: But I may build the 2.75+2.75+1.5 and map them all 3 to space bar anyway, just because I can.
This sums me up as well... Actually, I might try this in lieu of the winkeys to gain the two extras without having to alter the shell. Attached is a picture of the cap close-up in any obviously weird spot (sneak peek of the stainless). It is actually a 7/16 cap that I had on hand, where we need 12mm. When a proper size is used, the cap compresses almost completely flat when it locks in place (envision from the second diagram).

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Re: (Model MF) Remodeling the Model M
Posted: 17 Aug 2016, 00:15
by Techno Trousers
Okay, so a rubber cap in a standard size. That should be fine--even if it disintegrates eventually it should be easy to source a replacement.
Posted: 17 Aug 2016, 00:33
by lot_lizard
Techno Trousers wrote: Okay, so a rubber cap in a standard size. That should be fine--even if it disintegrates eventually it should be easy to source a replacement.
I should have been more specific. It is
LDPE (low-density polyethylene). It might be the last remaining piece of the board after many generations
Re: (Model MF) Remodeling the Model M
Posted: 17 Aug 2016, 00:35
by Techno Trousers
Awesome. Archaeologists find my FEXT buried with me, and the stainless steel plate has all but rusted away, while the LDPE plugs still look pristine. ;P
Posted: 17 Aug 2016, 01:03
by lot_lizard
Techno Trousers wrote: Awesome. Archaeologists find my FEXT buried with me, and the stainless steel plate has all but rusted away, while the LDPE plugs still look pristine. ;P
haha... It is a sad reality that our time will eventually be referred to as
the "plastic people". Unfortunately we must contribute in the name of "budget driven" progress. LDPE is number 4 should anyone ever decide to recycle their MF

Posted: 17 Aug 2016, 01:45
by fohat
lot_lizard wrote:
our time will eventually be referred to as the "plastic people"
I thought that you were going to link to the real Plastic People.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Plast ... e_Universe
Posted: 17 Aug 2016, 10:38
by andrewjoy
lot_lizard wrote: Will try to request some samples.
Samples are good , some greens are good others not so much. ( this is not my PCB so please excuse the terrible font on the silk screen )

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This green is quite nice , don't know where it came from tho
the generic cheap bright green is horrible
Posted: 18 Aug 2016, 02:21
by Techno Trousers
To borrow one of fohat's images, I assume we would like a PCB color close to the original deep green IBM PCBs?

Posted: 18 Aug 2016, 03:10
by E TwentyNine
Is it to late to vote for mauve?
That green seems about right to me.
Posted: 18 Aug 2016, 03:35
by drevyek
Love that green. Boards will look great!
Posted: 18 Aug 2016, 11:23
by andrewjoy
IBM green if possible, but your not going to get the texture like that.
Posted: 18 Aug 2016, 11:34
by lot_lizard
The smaller xWhatsit WCass refactored, and later changed the connection specifically for us, has been ordered as a prototype from OshPark. They only produce in purple, but will eventually be green.
For those that aren't aware of how much smaller this is than the previous xWhatsit (to save the math... 45% reduction)
- xWhatsit F rev 2 (what I am currently using): 5.52x1.13 inches (140.11x28.63 mm)
- xWhatsit mini with our connector: 3.38x1.01 inches (85.88x25.55 mm)
Thanks again WCass for all of your efforts. To pair down Tom's original design by half onto a profile 3x the size of a Teensie (with WAY more parts) is a something that should have received more notice and praise.

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- Paste Stencil (would be a horrible prototype soldering session if this didn't exist)
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Posted: 18 Aug 2016, 11:47
by shreebles
Cool! Kudos to WCass!
Posted: 18 Aug 2016, 11:58
by andrewjoy
Kudos indeed

. Lets get it even smaller 4 layer board and spin our own custom chip !!!
Re: (Model MF) Remodeling the Model M
Posted: 18 Aug 2016, 15:21
by Techno Trousers
Hooray for wcass! Quality work, indeed.
Posted: 18 Aug 2016, 15:26
by seebart
Very nice, great work!
Posted: 18 Aug 2016, 17:13
by Hypersphere
I am in awe of the talents of wcass and many other wizards of mechanics and electronics here at Deskthority! Thanks to all of you for your excellent contributions to our community!
Posted: 18 Aug 2016, 17:40
by Ratfink
lot_lizard wrote: Paste Stencil (would be a horrible prototype soldering session if this didn't exist)
Oh, it wouldn't be
that horrible. Some fine solder, a decent soldering iron, a lot of flux, and a fair amount of patience is all you'd need. I just hand-soldered
a board that looks like a similar level of difficulty, and I didn't have to rip all my hair out or anything.
That does look like a neat little circuit board. I like that it doesn't use so many no-lead packages like the original xWhatsit controllers do. One suggestion though: it looks like both of the buttons are facing in directions that would make them very difficult to press. Turning both of them 180° would probably be a good idea.
Posted: 18 Aug 2016, 22:47
by lot_lizard
Posted: 18 Aug 2016, 22:56
by emdude
Posted: 18 Aug 2016, 22:58
by alh84001
Posted: 18 Aug 2016, 23:03
by E TwentyNine
Wow.
Posted: 18 Aug 2016, 23:11
by Khers
Bloody hell, that's beautiful!
Posted: 18 Aug 2016, 23:12
by seebart

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You just became a candidate for this:
Posted: 18 Aug 2016, 23:17
by E TwentyNine
seebart wrote:
You just became a candidate for this: [gold.jpg]
Come on. Is there even a question that's a lock?
Now that I'm done ogling - are the extra screw holes near navigation a bit of securing that you've realized isn't needed?
Also, what's the function of the rectangular cutouts in a few places?
Posted: 18 Aug 2016, 23:21
by seebart
E TwentyNine wrote: seebart wrote:
You just became a candidate for this: [gold.jpg]
Come on. Is there even a question that's a lock?
WOT? Lock?

Posted: 18 Aug 2016, 23:22
by Hypersphere
lot_lizard: Truly stunningly beautiful. You are doing a magnificent job.