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Leetgion Hellion Gaming Mouse: A mouse with MX Blue
Posted: 24 Apr 2012, 16:33
by sixty
Looks like someone finally made a mouse with an MX Blue switch
http://www.nikktech.com/main/articles/p ... l=&start=1
Posted: 24 Apr 2012, 16:44
by HzFaq
I can feel my k:d/APM increasing just by reading about it.
Posted: 24 Apr 2012, 17:00
by off
Hey now, someone already did; remembers something about slaughtered DeathAdders...
but 16.7MILLION colours...
*edit: the blue is on the thumb, could be nice for setting off that a-bomb or something
Posted: 24 Apr 2012, 17:11
by itlnstln
Besides size concerns, would a Cherry switch really be beneficial for a mouse? Even so, would a blue be the best choice. I would thing a clear, brown or maybe red would be better.
Posted: 24 Apr 2012, 17:17
by Maarten
Meh... i still vote Cherry for keyboards and Alps for mice;
Posted: 24 Apr 2012, 17:25
by off
Maarten wrote:Meh... i still vote Cherry for keyboards and Alps for mice
I prefer alps for 'boards instead of mice; logi uses those and damn them doublescroll issues.
Posted: 24 Apr 2012, 17:30
by daedalus
All well and good, until you need to double click...
Posted: 24 Apr 2012, 17:34
by bhtooefr
And if you try to do it quickly, and hold right around the right point, you instead get a quintuple click.
Posted: 25 Apr 2012, 16:43
by Julle
Double clicking a Cherry MX blue is no problem at all. I don't see any reason why it couldn't work.
Edit. I didn't realise it was a thumb switch. Now, that can be little tricky.
Posted: 25 Apr 2012, 16:49
by RC-1140
Julle wrote:Double clicking a Cherry MX blue is no problem at all. I don't see any reason why it couldn't work.
Well, the problem is the hysteresis, which is pretty huge on Cherry MX Blues. Once you're over the actuation point you have to go up pretty far to be able to click it again. It avoids key chattering, but if you're used to double tap by lifting your finger only a little then it gets problematic.
Posted: 25 Apr 2012, 17:00
by ripster
IBM called that a benefit in their buckling spring patent.
Less typos.
Posted: 25 Apr 2012, 17:34
by RC-1140
Well, there is nothing wrong about hysteresis when typing, but for gaming? In RTS games it might be great, but in most other games linear or only tactile switches are suited better IMHO. But there are people out there who play FPS games with Blues, so it always a matter of opinion. I like linear switches for gaming and Clicky Tactile Switches for typing. But I wouldn't want a mouse with a Cherry MX switch. Too much travel.
Posted: 25 Apr 2012, 22:13
by off
RC-1140 wrote:In RTS games it might be great... But I wouldn't want a mouse with a Cherry MX switch. Too much travel.
I think it might actually be kind of cool, deepening the experience;
but only in a few rare cases, like pulling the trigger on that C4 you've just strewn about, or pressing the emergency eject button, or when firing an M60 or other BFG; then again those are not thing that are even present in games I play, so
Posted: 27 Apr 2012, 07:52
by Kurk
RC-1140 wrote:But I wouldn't want a mouse with a Cherry MX switch. Too much travel.
It seems to me that the normal mouse buttons use normal mouse switches (Omron micro switches). Somewhere on the mouse, however, the marketing department has placed one special "'attack key" sporting a Chery MX blue switch with the sole intention to trick kids into buying this mouse.
Posted: 27 Apr 2012, 13:38
by off
ah one page thread where the second post states it's a thumbbutton, and the linked source as well..
maybe kids need pics
Posted: 01 May 2012, 04:00
by bhtooefr
ripster wrote:IBM called that a benefit in their buckling spring patent.
Less typos.
And IBM's implementation of hysteresis actually works.
Cherry's doesn't, because there's a point you can hang on some blue switches, just before the mechanism has broken, but after the electrical contact has broken, and then bounce on that point as much as you want to make/break the electrical contact (but an unpredictable number of times) without triggering the click mechanism to break.
Posted: 01 May 2012, 13:40
by Ekaros
Aren't micro switches also mechanical by definition? Still MX isn't very suitable for mouse, maybe for thumb but I still don't see any reason over audible feedback...
Posted: 01 May 2012, 13:45
by off
Ekaros wrote:Aren't micro switches also mechanical by definition?
I concur, but then I would also add that imvho rubberdome boards are mechanicals all the same.
Posted: 01 May 2012, 14:29
by bhtooefr
Which is why I don't like "mechanical" to describe the types of keyboards we discuss. (And "keyswitch" excludes buckling spring, which is clear proof in itself that that term is flawed - buckling spring should definitely count.) Any definition that excludes rubber domes also excludes Topre.
The problem is, the words I'm coming up with, other than "quality" (which is rather vague), don't exclude things like the Logitech G15 and G19.
Posted: 01 May 2012, 14:40
by off
Yeah I'd guess this is not a 'mechanical keyboard enthusiast forum' but instead a forum for 'quality keyboard enthusiasts' or 'enthusiasts of keyboards made with less cheapening out thus more heart'... I agree that 'mechanical' just mouths better
That said, I still have got love for he G15; if only because of the LCD (not the craptastic logitech firmware for it though) and to a much lesser degree the macro keys (ideal for using as global music/volume control pad)
Posted: 01 May 2012, 18:47
by itlnstln
"(Spring-and-)Lever-based key-switches?" I think that would cover BS, Alps (except for leaf spring varieties, I guess) and Cherry. "Capacitive" covers Topre, some BS, Foam-and-Foil, etc. "Magnetic" would describe DataHand, Hall-Effect Switches and so on.
Posted: 01 May 2012, 22:12
by ripster
Ekaros wrote:Aren't micro switches also mechanical by definition? Still MX isn't very suitable for mouse, maybe for thumb but I still don't see any reason over audible feedback...
I like my definition. But like many definitions many people hate it.
Mechanical keyboards all are designed to allow you to type without bottoming out to activate the switch. They generally (not always) rely on metal contacts and a spring in an individual switch. Capacitive circuits are included in this guide as well as buckling spring switches which use a spring/hammer mechanical action to press a membrane switch. Although they don't use metal contacts to close or open the switch they share having a mid-point activation in the switch travel. The end result is a switch with longer key travel and a precise feel.
And I like Blue Cherries.
Precison is overrated.
As long as what I mean to type hits the screen in the right way I could care less about theoreticals.
Posted: 01 May 2012, 23:55
by webwit
Good to hear you no longer pretend to be in keyboard science.
Posted: 02 May 2012, 15:39
by ripster
My best Ripster Theorems are Social Science ones.
Like McRip Effect!
PING!
Posted: 02 May 2012, 15:50
by webwit
The unfortunately named "social science" is not science.
Posted: 02 May 2012, 15:51
by ripster
One of the reasons it's my fav.
Sometime a post is just a post.
Btw my Lego CST Lasertrak switch block is blue cherry. Great switch!
Posted: 03 May 2012, 23:03
by off
ripster wrote:Lego CST Lasertrak switch block
Your what? Pic?
this
- ripster extra switches lego cst trackball FLA_7987.jpg (149.61 KiB) Viewed 7147 times
Decided on horizontal vs vertical yet?