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It is always the same problem with every group buy:
Too many different language layouts which are ordered by too few people.

If we agree on some little changes in each of these layouts, we can save a lot of money, or get our stuff at all!

Here is the EURO kit containing all necessary legends:


These are 61 legends of which 11 can be left away (marked in red).

Let me know what you think about it.

7bit wrote:It is always the same problem with every group buy:
Too many different language layouts which are ordered by too few people.

If we agree on some little changes in each of these layouts, we can save a lot of money, or get our stuff at all!

Here is the EURO kit containing all necessary legends:


These are 61 legends of which 11 can be left away (marked in red).

Let me know what you think about it.

M and E are pretty much same actually might help with clarity. For > < | combining those don'r really hurt it either.

I'm not sure if someone for more traditional looks like the 5 % € either ;D

Great work! Like that idea of an EURO kit very very much.

Ekaros wrote:I'm not sure if someone for more traditional looks like the 5 % € either ;D

The legend 5% is standard on US-layout, so not required.

FR?
UK?

Soarer wrote:FR?
UK?

UK is so small, it might go well into the standard layout and FR has next to nothing in common with the other layouts.

If you can live with @ on the 3 there are still 4 additional keys for the UK layout.

A one-fit all kit including US-layout and some different keyboard types might come with 200-250 key caps.

Price from GMK might be something between 180-250 EUR.

7bit wrote: UK is so small, it might go well into the standard layout and FR has next to nothing in common with the other layouts.

Poor FR

As for UK - try selling that to the Americans! But if they'd go with that, then you don't need 3 £ in the Euro kit. (I guess you already dropped 2 " on the same basis).

Yeah UK?

`¬, 2", 3£, '@, #~, \|

Soarer wrote:

7bit wrote: UK is so small, it might go well into the standard layout and FR has next to nothing in common with the other layouts.

Poor FR

As for UK - try selling that to the Americans! But if they'd go with that, then you don't need 3 £ in the Euro kit. (I guess you already dropped 2 " on the same basis).

I think that is the problem:
The most want standard US layout (either TKL or 101/104) and don't care about the others.

With SP it was difficult enough to get some people together to buy language kits, but with an MOQ of 400 this might be impossible. I really hope they change their mind and come with a more prectical MOQ.

hmmm i think "2² should be keep, because it will make the board more legit

The more I think about that, the more I like it!

One one fit all kit with 250 keys for all thinkable keyboards with a lot of extra function keys for the price less than a used Russian layout keyboard!

Just have to agree upon one color scheme ....

TBH, all this chasing after this month's colours is not helping the problem

Ya know, a 'refresh' kit wouldn't be a bad idea, which just includes the keys that get shiny on s/h stuff

FR-layout. Not many keys in common with the other European layouts (I count 24).

BTW, I've updated the graphic: It now contains UK layout.

7bit wrote:The more I think about that, the more I like it!

One one fit all kit with 250 keys for all thinkable keyboards with a lot of extra function keys for the price less than a used Russian layout keyboard!

Just have to agree upon one color scheme ....

Damn you!

But would be better than to have each language completely in the pack, means no crossover caps. So you could take out your caps and selling the remaining packs within Europe. So every buyer of that "big pack" has to find a few buyers around Europe buying his remaining language packs. Sounds like a bloody snowballsystem.....

If we do some existing color, like standard Cherry, Dolch, NCR, Olivetti or SkiData, we might be able to sell some of the extra keys.

7bit wrote:These are 61 legends of which 11 can be left away (marked in red).

Personally, I would be fine with a set where only the Alt-Gr and Shift-Alt-Gr symbols are left out. There are symbols on the Alt and Alt Gr layer that I use that are not normally printed on the keys anyway. The important thing for me is that the symbols that are there are correct.

How about a set with common keys for ansi and iso and than add-ons for language groups(. How many unused keys would that save?

tlt wrote:How about a set with common keys for ansi and iso and than add-ons for language groups(. How many unused keys would that save?

The problem are the 400 sets!

If they don't come down to less, things like BEPO, COLEMAK, DVORAK and NEO aren't even thinkable!

Can't a big order change there mind and let smaller numbers for same sets throw? The total order value must count for something.

Us proud Norwegians would need these :

I think it's a great idea.

rodtang wrote:Us proud Norwegians would need these :

Below the "6 &" key you have marked there is an almost identical one. It only adds another character. To the right of the key at the bottom there is a key with the same legend but with an addition. Same with the topmost one which has a similar to the left of it.

I recon the key cap legends which are included in others are unnecessary. If one cap has A, and the other has A and B, then the second choice ought to suite the ones who wanted the first choice.

I don't get it. They haven't got 400 of each mold. It's all about money. If we put enough down they'll not ignore us.

I thinks it's a good idea as this would make future group buys more solidary and as a whole cheaper for everybody with sth. different than US layout. The chances to sell used set will be higher as well. It's a pity that the french layout doesn't fit into the set...

Tbh if we had all the us international symbols on the standard us keys, I'd be happier, though it would not be the ideal solution.

US International ISO by Gregor.Mc, on Flickr

C'mon folks.
After blaming the ANSI-ists for not wanting to include keycaps which they do not need themselves, you can't just deplore the French/Belgian layouts are so different that they, alas!, really cannot be included

Thanks to 7bit anyway for making such a global inventory of all-European keycaps.

And by the way, has there ever been a moogle kit with a "Strg" keycap?
I'm asking because that is a weird and uncommon legend

kbdfr wrote:... And by the way, has there ever been a moogle kit with a "Strg" keycap?
I'm asking because that is a weird and uncommon legend

Strg key caps (at least in Cherry beige/grey) are around in masses.
My favorites are:
Datenfreigabe and Groß.

GMC wrote:Tbh if we had all the us international symbols on the standard us keys, I'd be happier, though it would not be the ideal solution.

US International ISO by Gregor.Mc, on Flickr

Tripleshots?

kbdfr wrote: And by the way, has there ever been a moogle kit with a "Strg" keycap?
I'm asking because that is a weird and uncommon legend

I love "Steuerung"!

7bit wrote:

kbdfr wrote:... And by the way, has there ever been a moogle kit with a "Strg" keycap?
I'm asking because that is a weird and uncommon legend

Strg key caps (at least in Cherry beige/grey) are around in masses.
My favorites are:
Datenfreigabe and Groß.

I mean 1.25 "Strg" keycaps. I can't remember having seen many of them in the last 15 to 20 years

kbdfr wrote:

7bit wrote:Datenfreigabe and Groß FTW!

I mean 1.25 "Strg" keycaps. I can't remember having seen many of them in the last 15 to 20 years

1.25 units are not necessary anymore.

Nowadays, we exclusively use 1, 1.5 and 2 units.


Also, what is Strg anyway?

Strang?
Streng?
String?
Strong?
Strung?