GMK white on dark grey US/GB full set {Cancelled}

tlt · 23 Sep 2013, 19:34

The second key on the 4 row in the Nordic pack has an extra pipe with a gap in the line, is that right?

rindorbrot · 23 Sep 2013, 19:37

Ah ok, then.

IvanIvanovich · 23 Sep 2013, 20:00

The §| is what GMK has, for Norwegian. Let's not start dwelling on tiny things, like the difference of pipe vs. broken pipe. Like US pretty much always has broken pipe legend, but I have never seen it come out that way when typing, it is always just pipe |.

tlt · 23 Sep 2013, 20:03

That's the one on R1 I meant the one on R4

Ekaros · 23 Sep 2013, 20:05

rindorbrot wrote:I think I spotted an error in the DE/Nordic pack.
The 5 key should have no € symbol on it (at least for DE, I'm not sure about Nordic), € is only on E.

For Swedish/Finnish both work. So there is really two €s on Alt Gr-layer...

tlt · 23 Sep 2013, 20:08

If there is one without the broken pipe I think that's more correct. But I'm not sure and it's not important as you say.

IvanIvanovich · 23 Sep 2013, 20:12

Oh, the pipes on the >< key... it's for German isn't it? Apparently there is some difference, though I don't really know what it is...
They seem to have done it both ways some with both pipe, some with one

7bit · 23 Sep 2013, 20:13

Ekaros wrote:
rindorbrot wrote:I think I spotted an error in the DE/Nordic pack.
The 5 key should have no € symbol on it (at least for DE, I'm not sure about Nordic), € is only on E.
For Swedish/Finnish both work. So there is really two €s on Alt Gr-layer...

I'd leave that away and pretend it is an early 1990s nostalgia set.

Did I mention yet, that modifiers should be in the same grey to make the wholte thing more appealing to me?

IvanIvanovich · 23 Sep 2013, 20:16

That's right you don't have to have a € anywhere if you don't like it.

7bit, you can always go find a Dolch and take it's modifiers

rindorbrot · 23 Sep 2013, 20:50

If you want to be 100% accurate there is also the M with µ missing in the DE set, but I don't really think anyone needs this one...

IvanIvanovich · 23 Sep 2013, 20:55

Yep, and I forgot the @Q too. I can add them, if you DE guys must have it I suppose.

!Important: If you ordered already please order again since the options have changed.
Thank you.

rindorbrot · 23 Sep 2013, 21:19

Updated my order, Alpha picture didn't work for me in the form...

As I said, the µ is not really needed for me, also the € is something I don't really need as it is quite intuitive.
The Q/@ on the other hand, I'd like to have.
Is that fine with your nostalgia 7bit?

7bit · 23 Sep 2013, 21:44

As long as it is not all grey or at least a better color combination, I'm not interested.

pasph · 23 Sep 2013, 22:23

I'm out, if i want an ansi set those from Originative are a better deal.
GLWYS.

Muirium · 23 Sep 2013, 22:26

And that's the problem summed up: high MOQ spells pain for everyone but ANSI US.

pasph · 23 Sep 2013, 22:43

With those packs if a german wants his Language set he have to pay also for the ansi moq, the ansi guy pays only for himself.

matt3o · 23 Sep 2013, 22:47

as it is now you could better remove the language packs and do just ANSI. anyway thanks again for organizing this very complicated set. good luck!

IvanIvanovich · 23 Sep 2013, 22:57

Everyone need to cover the BASE set regardless if it is blanks or US/GB, it matters how much? In either case the way I had it originally or now, you were going to have to do a BASE+language pack what difference is there, besides having something to complain about?
As you already think US would make the MOQ in anycase...
Where is the check in to the rubber room at?

matt3o · 23 Sep 2013, 23:07

you made your choice, I respect that. I don't think it's the right one, but I know how hard it is organizing a GB and trying to deal with 100 different voices

so I'm gonna stop it here.

tlt · 24 Sep 2013, 00:24

I think you are doing a great job with this GB Ivan, it's just hard to not be pessimistic about the changes. I'm going to order and hope for the best.

IvanIvanovich · 26 Sep 2013, 18:03

Current revised sets pricing updated in OP.

bueller · 26 Sep 2013, 18:40

matt3o wrote:as it is now you could better remove the language packs and do just ANSI. anyway thanks again for organizing this very complicated set. good luck!

Yeah and the way you want it has all the ANSI people paying for language packs. What's the diff?

7bit · 26 Sep 2013, 20:22

The diff is that all people, except me, would get what they want. The only drawback is it is more expensive for everybody.

input · 26 Sep 2013, 20:55

Perfect, ordered..

Now I just need a keyboard where I can use those windowed caps, any suggestions?

bueller · 27 Sep 2013, 11:20

bueller wrote:
matt3o wrote:as it is now you could better remove the language packs and do just ANSI. anyway thanks again for organizing this very complicated set. good luck!
Yeah and the way you want it has all the ANSI people paying for language packs. What's the diff?

Woops I quoted the wrong post there, that was directed at pasph.

7bit wrote:The diff is that all people, except me, would get what they want. The only drawback is it is more expensive for everybody.

pasph · 27 Sep 2013, 12:38

Before ansi was a language pack like the others, now it is not
You really can't understand the difference?

bueller · 27 Sep 2013, 13:05

pasph wrote:Before ansi was a language pack like the others, now it is not
You really can't understand the difference?

With the earlier packs EVERYONE would have had spare keys in order to accommodate the foreign language packs. At least this way only people who actually want language packs have to pay for them. Or do you want everyone out of pocket just to accommodate your needs?

IvanIvanovich · 27 Sep 2013, 13:22

Before English was a language pack now it's not. Base set still accommodates both an ANSI and ISO layout, just both are English. Yes it sucks that the others are being penalized by additional cost, but the market needs to be proven for other layouts unlike English which is known to have a large market. Everything but Italian is still being offered, I just tried to make the costs more friendly for everyone.
As it stands right now only 9 German/Nordic packs and 4 Japanese/Portuguese/Spanish packs have been ordered out of the total of 50 orders. Everything still has a long way to go to MOQ.

matt3o · 27 Sep 2013, 13:23

is it better to pay more for a language pack, or have no language pack at all? (due to insane MOQ)

that what I'm saying (and looking at latest forecast I'd say I'm right

)

IvanIvanovich · 27 Sep 2013, 13:28

There is nothing stopping anyone from ordering both if they wish to support for others and paying roughly the same cost as it was before.
I can see that the reorganization has changed from 5 people ordering to +45 ordering since the change. The way it was originally I think was simply too expensive for anything to get to production. As much as I like to see the others make it, if there is not enough market for it it's not my fault.