For PBT plastics YES it is but NOT for us.
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In any case you have already done the difficult part! Congratulations again. That is a gorgeous (and I'm sure wonderful. I love the feeling of Orange ALPS) keyboard!
Neat! Thanks for sharing that. The serial number and the other eight digit tag number (whatever it represents) are also slightly lower than mine. Note that early Focus boards also had a similar eight digit number on the same type of tag, and that some of them were in the same 80xxxxxx format from the same time period.
Exactly what I'm trying to do. But I also think it's valuable to throw ideas against the wall to see if anything sticks. In science even a theory that's proven wrong is a success if it furthers the knowledge, and good ideas are not limited to the experts. I very much appreciate all the contributions from everyone here, for whatever that's worth.Daniel Beardsmore wrote: That's precisely the sort of reason why I always advise gathering plenty of data first and then analysing it.
Some of the common knowledge we have is Chinese whispers so old that nobody knows where the information came from. MouseFan's Alps timeline chart was one source of data on Alps switches, but it's already proven to be incomplete and inaccurate, and there's no raw data to go with it to analyse, so there's no way to reassess the chart. That's why I started from scratch.
Generally, most dates we have for Alps seem to broadly correct, though.
NO. Anyone can speculate all they want which is most of what this is. It only becomes problematic when someone is speculating but stating the speculation like a fact and then others may accept it as a fact. I've seen that happen here on occasion and it's obvioulsy extemely counter-productive. We could use a "speculation font-color" like the brown-irony font color?
Same thing Daniel! Call it what you will, it's unverified information. Much of what we are dealing with here is still unverified.Daniel Beardsmore wrote: The problem isn't speculation; it is that people pass on information as fact that they read somewhere, and nobody ever knows where the information came from or whether it's even true, and no critical thinking gets applied at any whisper step. Sometimes this information is wrong, but without any sources or references cited, it's difficult or even impossible to prove whether it's true or not. It's why I'm so insistent on data on the wiki being demonstrated or referenced: it doesn't prove that it's true, but it allows anyone who doubts it to double-check for themselves. Being scientific is good!
Also, the information is scattered about all across the forum and the web and it's very hard to find again, or to discover at all.
Too bad brown is already taken; it would be perfect for stuff known to be wrong (i.e. steer manure) by the poster (we have no room for irony here...).seebart wrote:NO. Anyone can speculate all they want which is most of what this is. It only becomes problematic when someone is speculating but stating the speculation like a fact and then others may accept it as a fact. I've seen that happen here on occasion and it's obvioulsy extemely counter-productive. We could use a "speculation font-color" like the brown-irony font color?
I get quite bothered when people frame subjective thoughts as fact. There are some people that have a very strong tendency to do this. It's annoying to me. I love speculation, so long as it's voiced as such.seebart wrote:NO. Anyone can speculate all they want which is most of what this is. It only becomes problematic when someone is speculating but stating the speculation like a fact and then others may accept it as a fact. I've seen that happen here on occasion and it's obvioulsy extemely counter-productive. We could use a "speculation font-color" like the brown-irony font color?
Any color would do really.
Yeah we've had this situation here quite a few times and the solution is easy like you say:E3E wrote:I get quite bothered when people frame subjective thoughts as fact. There are some people that have a very strong tendency to do this. It's annoying to me. I love speculation, so long as it's voiced as such.seebart wrote:NO. Anyone can speculate all they want which is most of what this is. It only becomes problematic when someone is speculating but stating the speculation like a fact and then others may accept it as a fact. I've seen that happen here on occasion and it's obvioulsy extemely counter-productive. We could use a "speculation font-color" like the brown-irony font color?
If you think something is better, don't say that it is better, say that you feel they're better unless there's enough objectivity to that idea that you can get away with it, I guess.
Even if there's an overwhelming opinion in the community that one switch is better than the other, it should be stated as such.
Like, this applies especially to people who don't explain themselves. Bad switch design is something you can certainly talk about, and there are some really poorly designed switches out there.
But this isn't even getting into things like timeline and manufacturing speculation, say... about Alps.
It's fun to guess at timelines and connections, but manufacturing? You really have to dig deep to know any specifics there.
ABS hates the sun, not PBT.Elrick wrote:For PBT plastics YES it is but NOT for us.
We are daylight creatures that do indeed require daily dosages of our 'Sky Furnace' to maintain a stable Vitamin D level within our bodies.
The Sun helps to build strong bones, ligaments and muscles. Also it's FREE, available every 12 hours, hence start enjoying it instead of locking yourselves up in dark boxes that are air-conditioned.
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rich1051414 wrote: And I have one thing to say about the rest.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTnzwvx4AO0
either cherry or costar should work.smithyithy wrote: Quick question guys - I'm ordering an HHKB plate for an Alps build - like this: http://i.imgur.com/ITDvQBt.png
Question is what stabs will I need to use for the 6u space bar? I'm planning to use the Alpine Winter set (made by Signature Plastics)
Do they do standard 60% ansi plates ?mike52787 wrote:either cherry or costar should work.smithyithy wrote: Quick question guys - I'm ordering an HHKB plate for an Alps build - like this: http://i.imgur.com/ITDvQBt.png
Question is what stabs will I need to use for the 6u space bar? I'm planning to use the Alpine Winter set (made by Signature Plastics)
alps.tw is a person. I am not aware that he ever classified that type of switch. They're on the wiki under [wiki]KPT-like switch[/wiki] as "O" series pending a better name.
Daniel Beardsmore wrote:alps.tw is a person. I am not aware that he ever classified that type of switch. They're on the wiki under [wiki]KPT-like switch[/wiki] as "O" series pending a better name.
I have a bunch of them from a Bulgarian here (do we know that this keyboard is Russian and not Bulgarian?), in three colours: yellow, green, and if I remember correctly, ivory. I've yet to inspect them closely to see how they differ, and they feel roughly the same. It's curious to see how the green ones are used, as this chap seems to have no idea where his switches came from.
More curious is that space bar doesn't have a different switch type.
