Cherry Corp Stabilizers, GIMME BACK MY CLACK! "Ok." WHAAAT?!

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HoneyLove's pic gave me goosebumps: http://noma.co.kr/attach/images/30354/2 ... eb3c36.JPG
that's so nicely subdued (when you take away the leds)! And even the blue/red leds look kinda nice on there..
But man do you guys love your goo.. what a sludgefest!

And it probably is better to put the tape on the pcb, thought of that but decided on the insert- now I can't see the reasoning behind that anymore
I will say that DdogakDdogak's version with felt seems too thick to retain the clack (plus introducing those microfibers into that system doesn't seem right to me), but I haven't tried that though.

[Limmy]

If you want to discuss photos from KBDMania, I think it would be better to download it to your PC and upload it here (I think it would be fine uploading it here with source stated) Also, one tip browsing KBDMania is to download the photos directly by clicking on the file list on top of the post. You can download it faster that way.

DdogakDdogak's mod was more about silencing both on the way down and up, so your conjecture is probably right. As I once said, those mod post are hard to understand unless you tinker with them a bit. He might have thin out those felts, but it is pretty hard to tell from the mod post.

[Limmy]

Standard procedure... Now I'm starting to wonder what more is being kept from us

I think I mentioned all the popular mods in previous post, but here they are again: lubrication of sliders, stabilizer mod, sticker mod, and LED filing mod. There are also some manufacturing going on custom springs, aluminum housing, and plate. Also, there are wooden palm rests and key cap storing boxes and etc.. The list doesn't include all things going on KBDMania, but I think it pretty much explains what is being discussed there.

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Click on the file list on the top of pages. You can download pics faster that way. I usually avoid pages with large images. The page loading time seems to be exponentially longer as file size increases.

http://noma.co.kr/attach/images/37992/7 ... 88678a.jpg
that pic, what does it point out, just the correct way the insert fits in the stabiliser, or is there a mod hidden in there?

It just explains how stabilizers should be assembled. (The post is for the newbies in custom keyboards.)

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key cap storing boxes and etc.. The list doesn't include all things going on KBDMania, but I think it pretty much explains what is being discussed there.

Key cap storing boxes does sound interesting! Would you have a link for that?
The rest you had mentioned indeed; and are things we are aware of, hence my surprise that this other mod had never even gotten mentioned here afaik, especially considering how unbelievably simple and logical it is.
You wouldn't happen to know which one of those 'all things going on at KBDMania' is either very promising or clearly effective, yet unknown over here?

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Click on the file list on the top of pages. You can download pics faster that way. I usually avoid pages with large images. The page loading time seems to be exponentially longer as file size increases. [/quote]
Cheers, turned out to still be loading half an hour later, so I just hit refresh and was done in 5..

Either way, your posts are appreciated.

[Limmy]

Key cap storing boxes does sound interesting! Would you have a link for that?

I started a new thread about key cap storing and organizing. We can continue the discussion there.

You wouldn't happen to know which one of those 'all things going on at KBDMania' is either very promising or clearly effective, yet unknown over here?

Many users end up with custom keyboards since modding factory made boards has its limitations. I have not tried the custom keyboards myself, but if I was in Korea I would have certainly participated in the group buys for the custom boards. Next round of K-Mini boards are very tempting..

Pretty much all serious members have multiple custom boards and seems to not bother with factory made boards. They say factory boards designs are not up to their standards(not solidly built, ping/rings, lacks certain features). Pretty much all custom boards have second layer mapping similar to HHKB and they are user programmable.

Here are some examples of the typing videos.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBKthMjHbZE (The Cheat w/ ergo clears, 356 Dark w/ browns)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0zQN9jTzDw (The Cheat w/ ghetto reds, see http://www.kbdmania.net/xe/3960310 )
Ergo or ghetto mods in the boards are using custom springs.

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Next round of K-Mini boards are very tempting..

Pretty much all serious members have multiple custom boards and seems to not bother with factory made boards. They say factory boards designs are not up to their standards(not solidly built, ping/rings, lacks certain features). Pretty much all custom boards have second layer mapping similar to HHKB and they are user programmable.

So no more 'big hidden-in-plain-sight-secrets' I take it.. Perhaps a year from now we'll realise there's yet another one.
Funny you should mention that everybody over there goes custom due to a no-compromise attitude; it's what made me register in the first place, getting switches from 7b to diy what would've been my first cherry mechnical; in the mean time I did end up with a compaq-branded cherry though. Still going to have to make a proper custom board myself, probably through shapeways.
K-Mini ey... yowza!
*edit: Also, what's this white thingy; just a keypuller with a funky design?

[Limmy]

Also, what's this white thingy; just a keypuller with a funky design?

Yes, it is a key cap puller. I believe it was bundled with a keyboard.

[ripster]

Looks like the symbol for the artist formerly known as Prince.

Tried any GH Wiki edits lately Limmy?

Looks like iMav finally turned them back on. I'd recommend by stripping all my Korean jokes. I must have DOZENS buried in the wikis.

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Update: Webwit approved! Or at least tested and deemed 'a significant improvement over stock'.

[ripster]

That's because he was in a good mood after seeing the poll stripper.

Have to admit the spacebar sluggishness on my KBTalking Pure is starting to bug me. Since it's a PCB only keyboard I may try a spring swap first.

Somebody send me one of exotic Korean Gold springs....

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you know, PCB mounted stabilisers are what this thread is about...
Also, CeesA has seen, tested, and as far as I understood, approved of this mod.

[ripster]

I will probably try your mod eventually.

But Keyboard Science is best done in slow carefully documented steps.

Plus, I really do want a Gold Spring to play with.

Did you know Hooke's Law applies if you were to drill a meter wide hole THROUGH the earth and then jump into it?

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I kind of doubt that:
From Wikipedia: "In mechanics and physics, Hooke's law of elasticity is an approximation that states that the extension of a spring is in direct proportion with the load applied to it. Many materials obey this law as long as the load does not exceed the material's elastic limit. Materials for which Hooke's law is a useful approximation are known as linear-elastic or "Hookean" materials.
Hooke's law in simple terms says that strain is directly proportional to stress."
Ofcourse, taking only that last sentence, it can apply to a lot of things; human minds, workloads, whatever.

[ripster]

Offtopic but at least you'll learn something new today...

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hb ... thole.html

This is the same form as Hooke's Law for a mass on a spring. It would cause the trans-Earth traveler to oscillate back and forth through the center of the Earth like a mass bobbing up and down on a spring. The angular frequency and period for this oscillation are....

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Offtopic but at least you'll learn something new today...

That'll have to be a different day; week even. Other priorities a.t.m., trying to ignore DeskThority for the moment, but failing slightly at that.

This is the same form as Hooke's Law for a mass on a spring.

So I'll just point out that having the same form does not indicate equality, just a slight likeness.

[ripster]

Are you a Philosophy Major?

I Kant be Klearer.

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Just a general nitpicking critic.
An uneducated one at that.

[ripster]

Thank goodness. PhD students make the worst forum posters.

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Good sign I gave you that impression then. Thanks!

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To get a little back to the topic: I just tried the mod, and I'm amazed. A real nice bottoming out sound on my stabilized keys now, and it doesn't feel like o-rings anymore! Great Mod!

[ripster]

Can somebody post a pic of the bottom of the plastic plunger doohickey AFTER the mod?

Oh wait, is this it?


Ok... now I see it. Middle pic, shave off two TINY toothpick point protrusions on NE/SW corners.

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nnnnyeuo.
The stabilizers in the middle are what I presume to be the Korean method. Which does go about 98% of the way.
The stabs on the left are after I'm done with them, but to see what is under the tape check out this pic:

my_cut & stock

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Oh and RC-1140: YAY! For science and balls!

[ripster]

Oh I get it now.

Interesting. I think I'll start with just the 2 little tittys. This will make Limmy happy.

[spolia_optima]

I generally prefer the Cherry Corp stabilizers, but I totally understand why the costar style seems to be more popular. With costar, you can't even tell there's a stabilizer there. They add like, no friction.. I can see the value of that.

Wouldn't it be nice if someone designed and implimented an improved Cherry-style stabilizer? It can be done... It has been done, right?

And what about the other cherry corp stabilizers? The ones they use on tons of POS boards and the like. I forget the part number, but they're sort of an "in-between".. Anyone know what I'm talking about?

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Well, from the short moment I've touched Costar's stabs, I'd say you do notice, at least soundwise; tends to rattle (metallic) more.
Those Cherry POS stabilizers, never heard of, would you have a pic?
And improved Cherry stabs, don't think anyone has made any 'orderable', but there have been mods yes; cutting off parts of the casing holding the inserts to reduce friction, cutting off sides of the insert for the same reason, adding felt to the bottom, and ofcourse cutting off part of the bottom for less squish; that's all I know of.

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But honestly I still don't understand, why you put some tape under the stabilizers. I simply cut off the two extra legs, and cut off the extra plastic so the bottom is even now, and I have a wonderful clack. Why would you put tape there?

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Simple answer; did you try it? I just thought of it, and perhaps it's imaginary, but I approved of the difference I noticed at the time.. was slightly worried for the pcb as well honestly; but that might be bs since now there's way more are sharing the force, though way less cushioning it.

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I didn't try it, as I didn't see why, and also because I don't have such tape at home. I was worried about the PCB as well, but I doubt that it does any damage. I don't bottom out on these keys too hard, and most of the time I use my Unicomp board anyway. I just wanted to try it on the only Cherry Board I use daily and which is allowed to clack. Currently I use 4 boards regularly. My Unicomp for typing, my Ghetto Red (now clacky) G80-2551 for gaming, my G80-11800 with O-Rings for typing and gaming in school, and the G84-4100 when I don't have enough space in my bag. Only the G80-2551 could be modded, and I like it.

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Longer answer, since I had my board capless, and typing on stems, though quite nice, wasn't really my cup of tea in the end:
Before adding tape I noticed that some of the keys had a clear metallic rattle to them, the bar shaking when the stem hit the PCB; and in an attempt to reduce that I added tape.
As the Koreans demonstrated, I'm not the only one with that thought; and they did it better by adding it to the PCB instead of a miniscule piece to the stem, which theoretically adds weight. I did consider PCB stickering, but decided against that for fear of cleaning if it didn't meet my expectations (this stuff sticks).
*pre2ndsubmit-edit: ninja'd. But good call, if you don't feel it could use any more improvements, definitely feel free to leave her closed; I know I'm not feeling the urge to open her up yet again anytime soon!