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Findecanor
- Location: Stockholm, Sweden
- DT Pro Member: 0011
In patents, the exactly specified details matter. Also, Cherry has only a pending application - it is not sure yet that it will be deemed novel enough to be granted.
If Gateron manage to avoid the specific details written in the Cherry patent application that separate it from prior art (i.e. Alps) then they won't be hindered by Cherry's patent, if it will be granted.
If Gateron manage to avoid the specific details written in the Cherry patent application that separate it from prior art (i.e. Alps) then they won't be hindered by Cherry's patent, if it will be granted.
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zslane
- Location: Los Angeles, California, USA
- Main keyboard: RealForce RGB
- Main mouse: Basic Microsoft USB mouse
- Favorite switch: Topre
- DT Pro Member: -
Does Cherry file PCT applications as a routine matter for things like switches? More importantly, does China have a history of granting Chinese patents for foreign applications filed through the IPCU?
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PollandAkuma
- Location: London
- Main keyboard: keyboard
- Main mouse: mouse
- Favorite switch: switch
- DT Pro Member: -
Interested to see how it compares with the "original". And silent tactile sounds interesting.
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rominronin
- Location: Vienna
- Main keyboard: Katana60
- Main mouse: Elecom HUGE
- Favorite switch: Cherry ergo clears, Zealios v1, prelubed linears
- DT Pro Member: -
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Has anyone tried these out yet? Care to share any feedback?
There are so few reviews out there. The videos don't really tell you anything about the feel (and its debatable how useful the sound comparison is).
I ordered the Aliaz tactile switches from kbdfans, I'm wondering if I should order a batch of silent browns to compare them with.
There are so few reviews out there. The videos don't really tell you anything about the feel (and its debatable how useful the sound comparison is).
I ordered the Aliaz tactile switches from kbdfans, I'm wondering if I should order a batch of silent browns to compare them with.
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Menuhin
- Location: Germany
- Main keyboard: HHKB PD-KB400BN lubed, has Hasu Bt Controller
- Main mouse: How to make scroll ring of Expert Mouse smoother?
- Favorite switch: Gateron ink lubed
- DT Pro Member: -
I have a batch of Gateron silent blacks, and the key feel is quite good, and of course more silent compared to normal Gateron blacks or Cherry blacks I have. I have yet to try a board full with re-tooled Cherry (black or clear), so for now I still prefer Gaterons which are obviously (for me) smoother than my modern Cherry blacks.
Here's a review, no strong opinion in there but it seems there is no issue at least:
https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyb ... nt_blacks/
P.s. I just loaded my 4-column switch tester with these (all out of the factory state, i.e. not lubed):
These are all top linear choices for me, and they are all smoother than modern Cherry blacks (the versions before being retooled) and other Cherry copies.
In terms of smoothness - they are all very smooth to be fair, just a hairline subjective perceptual difference:
Kailh box blacks = Gateron yellows >= Gateron blacks > Gateron silent blacks >= Cherry silent retooled blacks
In terms of wobbling:
Cherry silent retooled blacks < Gateron silent blacks < Kailh box blacks < Gateron blacks = Gateron yellows
In terms of silencing or quietness:
Cherry silent retooled blacks >= Gateron silent blacks > Kailh box blacks >= Gateron blacks = Gateron yellows
I don't bother about wobbling when I use my keyboards, and it isn't so bad as rumored, so Gateron milky blacks and yellows are still be top options.
The silencing performance will make the scratchy noise between stems and housing more obvious, as the bottoming out and the bouncing back up clacks are muted. I rarely bottom out when I am using heavy enough linear switches (e.g. not Gateron clears, and not Cherry reds) and unless the users have very heavy typing style, e.g. > 90Kg / 200 lbs with fingers thicker than Churchill size cigars, the bottoming out muting will show their effect once in a while. The muting mechanism is so effective that it makes the bottoming out sound of a silent switch, equivalent to the noise of one hitting hard onto the switch housing - basically the noise from the switch housing, as connected to the plate and the keyboard. However, the real deal is more in the rebounce silencing in my opinion.
Of course, one can also lube their switches, and I can too. But I think if the out of the box experience is not as desired by the users, the manufacturers definitely have things to improve. (Therefore there is the niche for Zealios, don't know how more labor intensive is for them to lube)
Here's a review, no strong opinion in there but it seems there is no issue at least:
https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyb ... nt_blacks/
P.s. I just loaded my 4-column switch tester with these (all out of the factory state, i.e. not lubed):
- Gateron yellows (milky);
- Gateron blacks (milky);
- Gateron silent blacks;
- Cherry silent blacks (they're among Cherry's retooled switches, though Cherry denied for marketing reason);
- Kailh box blacks.
These are all top linear choices for me, and they are all smoother than modern Cherry blacks (the versions before being retooled) and other Cherry copies.
In terms of smoothness - they are all very smooth to be fair, just a hairline subjective perceptual difference:
Kailh box blacks = Gateron yellows >= Gateron blacks > Gateron silent blacks >= Cherry silent retooled blacks
In terms of wobbling:
Cherry silent retooled blacks < Gateron silent blacks < Kailh box blacks < Gateron blacks = Gateron yellows
In terms of silencing or quietness:
Cherry silent retooled blacks >= Gateron silent blacks > Kailh box blacks >= Gateron blacks = Gateron yellows
I don't bother about wobbling when I use my keyboards, and it isn't so bad as rumored, so Gateron milky blacks and yellows are still be top options.
The silencing performance will make the scratchy noise between stems and housing more obvious, as the bottoming out and the bouncing back up clacks are muted. I rarely bottom out when I am using heavy enough linear switches (e.g. not Gateron clears, and not Cherry reds) and unless the users have very heavy typing style, e.g. > 90Kg / 200 lbs with fingers thicker than Churchill size cigars, the bottoming out muting will show their effect once in a while. The muting mechanism is so effective that it makes the bottoming out sound of a silent switch, equivalent to the noise of one hitting hard onto the switch housing - basically the noise from the switch housing, as connected to the plate and the keyboard. However, the real deal is more in the rebounce silencing in my opinion.
Of course, one can also lube their switches, and I can too. But I think if the out of the box experience is not as desired by the users, the manufacturers definitely have things to improve. (Therefore there is the niche for Zealios, don't know how more labor intensive is for them to lube)